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beng1102 Elite	26-Jun-2021 11:45        beng1102 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	If market is always right then there won' t be any Warren Buffett.  All of us have been brain washed to believe market is always right and believe in market efficiency hypothesis.  I recent read a book from investment expert,  it simply said that  market efficiency hypothesis is not true and Warrent Buffett does  not follow  market efficiency hypothesis.  moneyspinner      ( Date: 26-Jun-2021 11:30) Posted: Whatever David Kuo said really doesn' t matter.   The MARKET IS ALWAYS RIGHT! Abe2021      ( Date: 26-Jun-2021 11:27) Posted: http://Sembcorp Marine and Keppel Corp Explore a Potential Combination: Here' s What You Should Know https://thesmartinvestor.com.sg/sembcorp-marine-and-keppel-corp-explore-a-potential-combination-a-merger-and-a-rights-issue/ Agree. This time round is different from before. I too will subscribe ... 1 SMM share for 1.5 SMM rights @ 8c It is much milder than before  1 SMM for 5 SMM rights @ 20c Many weak hands have sold their shares yesterday.
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naoshingo Elite	26-Jun-2021 11:42        naoshingo About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Good pointer. This round is milder than the previous. Also this round is different, light is at the end of the tunnel. While MM2 rights issue is 1:1... Abe2021      ( Date: 26-Jun-2021 11:27) Posted: http://Sembcorp Marine and Keppel Corp Explore a Potential Combination: Here' s What You Should Know https://thesmartinvestor.com.sg/sembcorp-marine-and-keppel-corp-explore-a-potential-combination-a-merger-and-a-rights-issue/ Agree. This time round is different from before. I too will subscribe ... 1 SMM share for 1.5 SMM rights @ 8c It is much milder than before  1 SMM for 5 SMM rights @ 20c Many weak hands have sold their shares yesterday.  newbie19      ( Date: 26-Jun-2021 10:55) Posted: For Me i will definitely subscribe the 300K @0.08 rights issues. Who agrees with me... Go and watch the interview by David Kuo from smart investors then you know more insights of SMM... You decide......
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vicloo Supreme	26-Jun-2021 11:39        vicloo About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Cpf investment always stay inside cpf... but direct way to withdraw is to increase mortgage payment and so cash to housing is less 😊 idwish      ( Date: 26-Jun-2021 11:34) Posted: So I am putting about $12K cash in to my CPF? This doesnt make sense Tonychin2426      ( Date: 26-Jun-2021 11:05) Posted: No.. permanently all in cp
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idwish Senior	26-Jun-2021 11:34        idwish About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	So I am putting about $12K cash in to my CPF? This doesnt make sense Tonychin2426      ( Date: 26-Jun-2021 11:05) Posted: No.. permanently all in cpf idwish      ( Date: 26-Jun-2021 10:59) Posted: Thank you. So when I sell my eventually 300K SM, part of the money will go to CPF and part will be in cash
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moneyspinner Veteran	26-Jun-2021 11:30        moneyspinner About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Whatever David Kuo said really doesn' t matter.   The MARKET IS ALWAYS RIGHT! Abe2021      ( Date: 26-Jun-2021 11:27) Posted: http://Sembcorp Marine and Keppel Corp Explore a Potential Combination: Here' s What You Should Know https://thesmartinvestor.com.sg/sembcorp-marine-and-keppel-corp-explore-a-potential-combination-a-merger-and-a-rights-issue/ Agree. This time round is different from before. I too will subscribe ... 1 SMM share for 1.5 SMM rights @ 8c It is much milder than before  1 SMM for 5 SMM rights @ 20c Many weak hands have sold their shares yesterday.  newbie19      ( Date: 26-Jun-2021 10:55) Posted: For Me i will definitely subscribe the 300K @0.08 rights issues. Who agrees with me... Go and watch the interview by David Kuo from smart investors then you know more insights of SMM... You decide......
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Abe2021 Veteran	26-Jun-2021 11:27        Abe2021 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	http://Sembcorp Marine and Keppel Corp Explore a Potential Combination: Here' s What You Should Know https://thesmartinvestor.com.sg/sembcorp-marine-and-keppel-corp-explore-a-potential-combination-a-merger-and-a-rights-issue/ Agree. This time round is different from before. I too will subscribe ... 1 SMM share for 1.5 SMM rights @ 8c It is much milder than before  1 SMM for 5 SMM rights @ 20c Many weak hands have sold their shares yesterday.  newbie19      ( Date: 26-Jun-2021 10:55) Posted: For Me i will definitely subscribe the 300K @0.08 rights issues. Who agrees with me... Go and watch the interview by David Kuo from smart investors then you know more insights of SMM... You decide......
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moneyspinner Veteran	26-Jun-2021 11:25        moneyspinner About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 1   x 0  Alert Admin	Somehow sometime going forward SCM will have to do a share consolidation as there are just too many shares issued. Once this happens SCM holders will face another substantial haircut. It just not worthwhile to be vested in SCM for now until things gets more visible.
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MANFREDTMK Master	26-Jun-2021 11:23        MANFREDTMK About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Yes, Abe you are correct that the merger is fantastic. But what is terribly wrong is the mispricing of the exercise price of the rights share at 8 cents. As foreign funds are not allowed to subscribe for the Rights share, all of them came out in doves to sell down to 13.9 cents. That's because if they don't sell now, when the share go ex-right, the price will be 12.7 cents based on the market share price of 20 cents before the announcement. Now at 13.9 cents, the ex-right price is even lower at 10.36 cents. Given that foreign funds cannot subscribe to the Rights share, that explains why they have no choice, but to dumped the share at exorbitant LOSSES. SO IT'S A BIG MISTAKE OF THE INVESTMENT BANK THAT PRICE the exercise price at 8 cents. They could have price it as follows: 1.5 rights share at 16 cents per share for every 2 existing shares that you owned. That will still provide Sembcorp Marine with the same amount of money, but WILL NOT FORCE THE FUNDS TO SELL, including those who have no money to subscribe. More importantly, the price need not fall below 16 cents, which triggers Margin Calls by all broking house to top up cash for the margin shortfall or face Force-Sell. This explains why prices have to PLUNGE despite a GOOD EVENT. Mispricing is the root cause. Very pathetic and sad for the many who lost BIG TIME
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talonn Member	26-Jun-2021 11:14        talonn About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Is the bloodbath over? Or is it just starting? :(
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moneyspinner Veteran	26-Jun-2021 11:12        moneyspinner About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Advice is better cut if you can. You can come back o fight another day i.e. if you still have the bullets. Don' t compare yourself with TH who has very deep pockets or expect TH to take care of your interests. They have their KPI to take care of. Someone, at the end of the day, has to take the loss. Don' t let that be you! Checkerman      ( Date: 26-Jun-2021 10:37) Posted: Better get out on Monday . Outlook is not bright according to some market analyst . You never know will there be a 3rd right issue again in 2022 if the economy turn gloomy Silo1234      ( Date: 26-Jun-2021 09:53) Posted: May recover a bit...........................but will probably tank again...................................
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josemmm123 Master	26-Jun-2021 11:07        josemmm123 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 1   x 0  Alert Admin	Last year got ppl say the same thing as you. They say after demerger from SCI, SMM with the > $1B war chest from the rights issue last year is the start of a new chapter. Now the question is DO YOU TRUST THE CURRENT MANAGEMENT TO TURN AROUND SEMB MARINE? What makes u so sure they can do that when they are given so many years and they can' t even " stabilise" semb marine?   Abe2021      ( Date: 26-Jun-2021 11:00) Posted: Just going thru all the comments, M& A is the way to go.  This is just my thought, they want to help all, but impossible to do all 3 at the same time. First free up SCI, next KC and last but not least SMM. Now with a large base for SMM, the right exercise is not as heavy a burden as the one before. It is reasonable 1 SMM share for 1.5 SMM rights @ 8cts. David Kuo said " the money is going to put into good use and not something frivolous" - fully subscribed After this merger, SMM is enlarged and having strong liquidities. Handful of good comments were drowned by the naysayers. I was also trying to see thru the dust in the air. Yesterday SMM is the hottest stock ever, those who sell may do themselves a disservice. imho Almost a billion shares transacted value $146,417,720 - tremendously huge amount Understand quite a no of funds has poured in yesterday.  Oh yes, not forgetting after the demerger, the price of SMM did go above the rights price of 20cts. This is the start of a new chapter for SMM 🥸 Abe2021      ( Date: 23-Jun-2021 11:45) Posted: M& A insurances gaining traction in Asia as cross-border appetite grows MERGERS and acquisitions (M& A) insurances are gaining traction in Asia, from being mainly used by private equity buyouts, to all types of deals to mitigate potential risks and liabilities in a transaction, often playing a crucial role when negotiations hit an impasse. Aris Wong, managing director of insurance adviser BMS Group Asia, told The Business Times that there is a growing appetite for warranties and indemnities (W& I) as more people understand the benefits and the certainty that the insurance offers. " Asia is one of the main engine drivers of the global economy, and with the uptick in M& A activity in this region, there has been greater awareness of the need for protection of tail end liabilities which may result in significant financial exposure," Ms Wong said. Users also adopt it as a matter of good corporate governance and accountability to shareholders, should a risk of a breach materialise and cause the balance sheet to take a hit. For instance, when a special purpose acquisition company (SPAC) or a shell company is involved.   Its use is particularly strong in the infrastructure and renewables, financial services, real estate, technology and healthcare sectors. Cheow Ai Ling, managing director, PEMA and transaction risk Asia leader at Marsh, has seen more people using W& I insurance as a deal enabler in Asia. " The number of deals has increased year by year since 2015 by double digit. From private equity clients being the first mover in the early days, to lawyers to financial advisors today who all see the benefits of using this product," Ms Cheow said. Last year saw private equity overtaking corporates as users of W& I at 54 per cent of the market, compared to 38 per cent in 2019. Ms Cheow attributed this to the fact that most deals in 2020 had to be done virtually and " private equities were more comfortable with such arrangements" . She shared that when Marsh first started its private equity and M& A practice in Asia, there was only one insurer in the Asia market. Today, there are six. Marsh has expanded its team to 40 people across Asia in the last five years to support the rapid growth in different geographies in the region. Rates have stabilised around 1.6 per cent across Asia in the last few years due in part to competition, experts say. In general, the average limit of liability continues to be about 20 per cent of deal value, but for larger deals, the average limit is at 10 per cent. The growth mirrors the uptick in M& As in Asia. Private equity funds are looking to deploy their capital, or exit portfolio companies. Companies, too, are turning to M& A as a catalyst for growth and renewal as they pursue new paths to profitability, adapt to market disruptions and reposition their companies to succeed in the marketplace. " M& A in Asia-Pacific has been defying global trends, driven by the need to acquire new technology and access new markets throughout the pandemic," said Tracy Wut, Baker Mckenzie' s head of M& A for Hong Kong and Mainland China. Asia-Pacific saw 988 deals worth US$180 billion in the first quarter of 2021. Recent deals include the tie-up between Gojek and Tokopedia, Grab' s SPAC merger and Singapore Airlines' potential privatisation as well as private equity firm Actis' divestment of major ownership in PS Gourmet, the operator of casual dining restaurant PS Cafe. In a typical M& A, buyers engage advisers from the Big Four to conduct due diligence on the target companies. Such thorough legal, tax and financial due diligence is paramount to fully assessing key risks associated with targets. But no matter how rigorous the due diligence, high levels of risk are involved as there could be certain tail end liabilities that only surface after the buyer has taken over the target company. " Risks may surface many months or even years post completion, and are latent unknown risks that due diligence advisers could not have uncovered in any event," Ms Wong said. An example of this in Singapore is the underpayment of employees at Twelve Cupcakes, a local bakery. The issue came to light only after the company was sold and the new management continued the illegal practices. Elsewhere, one of the largest commercial damages claim made involved Asahi' s US$1.3 billion acquisition of New Zealand beverage group Independent Liquor from Pacific Equity Partners and Unitas Capital in 2011. Within a year of taking ownership, Asahi discovered that the business was far less profitable than it was led to believe, and sued for misrepresentation during the sales process and due diligence. The Japanese brewer Asahi was able to recoup about one-sixth of its purchase price after reaching a settlement with the funds and their insurers. " M& A insurance seeks to pass on these unknown risks to the insurers which create certainty in such a high-risk environment. The insurance allows buyers to create an environment where they know what they are getting themselves into," said Ms Wong. While such insurances could be taken up by either the seller or the buyer, nine out of 10 policies placed are buyer-insured. To mitigate these risks, buyers extract representations and warranties, which are essentially factual statements relating to the historical affairs of the target company. In case of a breach, buyers can claim any losses from the sellers. It is equivalent to say, a consumer going to Apple when their iPhone is defective during the warranty period. But the key difference here is that sellers often want a clean exit, and do not want to be bogged down with claims. Sometimes, sellers wind up or become financially insolvent and are unable to respond to the claims when they arise. This is where M& A insurance, or warranties and indemnities insurance, comes into play. " By shifting the seller' s liability to insurers and putting a price tag to this future contingent risk, sellers benefit from having a clean exit with little or no tail end liabilities, while buyers have certainty of recourse should they discover a breach of warranties post-acquisition," Ms Wong said. M& A insurance has arguably become a game changer, given the ability to categorise unknown risks associated with M& A transactions, and to transfer them to an insurer, giving buyers peace of mind. The majority of M& A insurance policies are issued in North America, the biggest M& A market. From 2008 to 2018, the total insurance capacity purchased there rose from US$540 million to over US$38 billion. Prospects look bright in Asia, which remains under-penetrated. M& A insurance is still in its infancy in China, the Philippines, Thailand and Indonesia. In contrast, it has made inroads in Asian financial hubs such as Singapore, Hong Kong and Seoul, and is gaining traction in Japan, Malaysia, Vietnam and India.
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Tonychin2426 Member	26-Jun-2021 11:05        Tonychin2426 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	No.. permanently all in cpf idwish      ( Date: 26-Jun-2021 10:59) Posted: Thank you. So when I sell my eventually 300K SM, part of the money will go to CPF and part will be in cash? Tonychin2426      ( Date: 26-Jun-2021 10:46) Posted: They will allow your to top up in cash through your cpfis bank and the money will be refunded to cpf OA in future when you sell
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Abe2021 Veteran	26-Jun-2021 11:00        Abe2021 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Just going thru all the comments, M& A is the way to go.  This is just my thought, they want to help all, but impossible to do all 3 at the same time. First free up SCI, next KC and last but not least SMM. Now with a large base for SMM, the right exercise is not as heavy a burden as the one before. It is reasonable 1 SMM share for 1.5 SMM rights @ 8cts. David Kuo said " the money is going to put into good use and not something frivolous" - fully subscribed After this merger, SMM is enlarged and having strong liquidities. Handful of good comments were drowned by the naysayers. I was also trying to see thru the dust in the air. Yesterday SMM is the hottest stock ever, those who sell may do themselves a disservice. imho Almost a billion shares transacted value $146,417,720 - tremendously huge amount Understand quite a no of funds has poured in yesterday.  Oh yes, not forgetting after the demerger, the price of SMM did go above the rights price of 20cts. This is the start of a new chapter for SMM 🥸 Abe2021      ( Date: 23-Jun-2021 11:45) Posted: M& A insurances gaining traction in Asia as cross-border appetite grows MERGERS and acquisitions (M& A) insurances are gaining traction in Asia, from being mainly used by private equity buyouts, to all types of deals to mitigate potential risks and liabilities in a transaction, often playing a crucial role when negotiations hit an impasse. Aris Wong, managing director of insurance adviser BMS Group Asia, told The Business Times that there is a growing appetite for warranties and indemnities (W& I) as more people understand the benefits and the certainty that the insurance offers. " Asia is one of the main engine drivers of the global economy, and with the uptick in M& A activity in this region, there has been greater awareness of the need for protection of tail end liabilities which may result in significant financial exposure," Ms Wong said. Users also adopt it as a matter of good corporate governance and accountability to shareholders, should a risk of a breach materialise and cause the balance sheet to take a hit. For instance, when a special purpose acquisition company (SPAC) or a shell company is involved.   Its use is particularly strong in the infrastructure and renewables, financial services, real estate, technology and healthcare sectors. Cheow Ai Ling, managing director, PEMA and transaction risk Asia leader at Marsh, has seen more people using W& I insurance as a deal enabler in Asia. " The number of deals has increased year by year since 2015 by double digit. From private equity clients being the first mover in the early days, to lawyers to financial advisors today who all see the benefits of using this product," Ms Cheow said. Last year saw private equity overtaking corporates as users of W& I at 54 per cent of the market, compared to 38 per cent in 2019. Ms Cheow attributed this to the fact that most deals in 2020 had to be done virtually and " private equities were more comfortable with such arrangements" . She shared that when Marsh first started its private equity and M& A practice in Asia, there was only one insurer in the Asia market. Today, there are six. Marsh has expanded its team to 40 people across Asia in the last five years to support the rapid growth in different geographies in the region. Rates have stabilised around 1.6 per cent across Asia in the last few years due in part to competition, experts say. In general, the average limit of liability continues to be about 20 per cent of deal value, but for larger deals, the average limit is at 10 per cent. The growth mirrors the uptick in M& As in Asia. Private equity funds are looking to deploy their capital, or exit portfolio companies. Companies, too, are turning to M& A as a catalyst for growth and renewal as they pursue new paths to profitability, adapt to market disruptions and reposition their companies to succeed in the marketplace. " M& A in Asia-Pacific has been defying global trends, driven by the need to acquire new technology and access new markets throughout the pandemic," said Tracy Wut, Baker Mckenzie' s head of M& A for Hong Kong and Mainland China. Asia-Pacific saw 988 deals worth US$180 billion in the first quarter of 2021. Recent deals include the tie-up between Gojek and Tokopedia, Grab' s SPAC merger and Singapore Airlines' potential privatisation as well as private equity firm Actis' divestment of major ownership in PS Gourmet, the operator of casual dining restaurant PS Cafe. In a typical M& A, buyers engage advisers from the Big Four to conduct due diligence on the target companies. Such thorough legal, tax and financial due diligence is paramount to fully assessing key risks associated with targets. But no matter how rigorous the due diligence, high levels of risk are involved as there could be certain tail end liabilities that only surface after the buyer has taken over the target company. " Risks may surface many months or even years post completion, and are latent unknown risks that due diligence advisers could not have uncovered in any event," Ms Wong said. An example of this in Singapore is the underpayment of employees at Twelve Cupcakes, a local bakery. The issue came to light only after the company was sold and the new management continued the illegal practices. Elsewhere, one of the largest commercial damages claim made involved Asahi' s US$1.3 billion acquisition of New Zealand beverage group Independent Liquor from Pacific Equity Partners and Unitas Capital in 2011. Within a year of taking ownership, Asahi discovered that the business was far less profitable than it was led to believe, and sued for misrepresentation during the sales process and due diligence. The Japanese brewer Asahi was able to recoup about one-sixth of its purchase price after reaching a settlement with the funds and their insurers. " M& A insurance seeks to pass on these unknown risks to the insurers which create certainty in such a high-risk environment. The insurance allows buyers to create an environment where they know what they are getting themselves into," said Ms Wong. While such insurances could be taken up by either the seller or the buyer, nine out of 10 policies placed are buyer-insured. To mitigate these risks, buyers extract representations and warranties, which are essentially factual statements relating to the historical affairs of the target company. In case of a breach, buyers can claim any losses from the sellers. It is equivalent to say, a consumer going to Apple when their iPhone is defective during the warranty period. But the key difference here is that sellers often want a clean exit, and do not want to be bogged down with claims. Sometimes, sellers wind up or become financially insolvent and are unable to respond to the claims when they arise. This is where M& A insurance, or warranties and indemnities insurance, comes into play. " By shifting the seller' s liability to insurers and putting a price tag to this future contingent risk, sellers benefit from having a clean exit with little or no tail end liabilities, while buyers have certainty of recourse should they discover a breach of warranties post-acquisition," Ms Wong said. M& A insurance has arguably become a game changer, given the ability to categorise unknown risks associated with M& A transactions, and to transfer them to an insurer, giving buyers peace of mind. The majority of M& A insurance policies are issued in North America, the biggest M& A market. From 2008 to 2018, the total insurance capacity purchased there rose from US$540 million to over US$38 billion. Prospects look bright in Asia, which remains under-penetrated. M& A insurance is still in its infancy in China, the Philippines, Thailand and Indonesia. In contrast, it has made inroads in Asian financial hubs such as Singapore, Hong Kong and Seoul, and is gaining traction in Japan, Malaysia, Vietnam and India.
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idwish Senior	26-Jun-2021 10:59        idwish About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Thank you. So when I sell my eventually 300K SM, part of the money will go to CPF and part will be in cash? Tonychin2426      ( Date: 26-Jun-2021 10:46) Posted: They will allow your to top up in cash through your cpfis bank and the money will be refunded to cpf OA in future when you sell. idwish      ( Date: 26-Jun-2021 10:42) Posted: If I have 200K SM using CPF, can I use cash to subscribe the rights as I have used up the limit? If so, how will the share between allocated between CPF account and cash account? Thanks
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newbie19 Supreme	26-Jun-2021 10:55        newbie19 About Contact  Quote this Post!   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	For Me i will definitely subscribe the 300K @0.08 rights issues. Who agrees with me... Go and watch the interview by David Kuo from smart investors then you know more insights of SMM... You decide......
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Tonychin2426 Member	26-Jun-2021 10:46        Tonychin2426 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	They will allow your to top up in cash through your cpfis bank and the money will be refunded to cpf OA in future when you sell. idwish      ( Date: 26-Jun-2021 10:42) Posted: If I have 200K SM using CPF, can I use cash to subscribe the rights as I have used up the limit? If so, how will the share between allocated between CPF account and cash account? Thanks
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idwish Senior	26-Jun-2021 10:42        idwish About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	If I have 200K SM using CPF, can I use cash to subscribe the rights as I have used up the limit? If so, how will the share between allocated between CPF account and cash account? Thanks
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Checkerman Master	26-Jun-2021 10:41        Checkerman About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	The management are good in this soft skill and motivation talk . Last time also send colourful and inspirational prospectus look@bright      ( Date: 25-Jun-2021 20:51) Posted: cannot believe you still believe in their fanciful power point slides beng1102      ( Date: 25-Jun-2021 20:48) Posted: " The International Energy Agency recently called for worldwide investment in clean energy to more than triple by 2030, to nearly US$5 trillion per annum. Good future for this company and it is still winning orders."   No reason to fear for the future.  Just subscribe and treat it like a endowment insurance and your 1 million shares would be worth 1 million dollar in five years
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sutiono Veteran	26-Jun-2021 10:40        sutiono About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	The coming 1.5B is not enough for sure , need another Right issue one year later . Checkerman      ( Date: 26-Jun-2021 10:37) Posted: Better get out on Monday . Outlook is not bright according to some market analyst . You never know will there be a 3rd right issue again in 2022 if the economy turn gloomy Silo1234      ( Date: 26-Jun-2021 09:53) Posted: May recover a bit...........................but will probably tank again...................................
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Checkerman Master	26-Jun-2021 10:37        Checkerman About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Better get out on Monday . Outlook is not bright according to some market analyst . You never know will there be a 3rd right issue again in 2022 if the economy turn gloomy Silo1234      ( Date: 26-Jun-2021 09:53) Posted: May recover a bit...........................but will probably tank again...................................
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