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Lionel84      ( Date: 05-Jun-2015 11:20) Posted:



for example, now nobody wants to buy anymore and everybody has sold their shares because this is a shortist haven. Shortists short at $1, shortist sell to their ownselves somemore, 90 cents, 80 cents, 70 cents etc etc

But nobody is selling and nobody is buying, they are only playing with themselves isn' t it?

Demostation      ( Date: 05-Jun-2015 11:07) Posted:



It is not that difficult to understand, or is it? If you shorted at $1 and there is nobody who wants to buy anymore (the fear of being shorted)   in the share, you could probably get it back for 50 cents if you waited since when holders needed the money, they will let go.   If they did not let go to you, ask your friend to short back to you and in a few days you short it back to him, easy does it, right? Fear to buy makes the shortists rich..


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05-Jun-2015 11:36     
 
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so called value investing, long term investing...are these all bulls**t?? Companies are doing well, but their share prices and values can be wiped out in just a single blow...
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Hahaha, don' t ask me the what ifs, eg. if nobody have margin calls, and nobody commits suicide. Lol.

Demostation      ( Date: 05-Jun-2015 11:29) Posted:



You are right, but they sold physically at $1 and now the price is 20 cents.   Wait for some in need of money to sell at 20 cents, lol.   Margin call or someone commiting suicide, lol....

Lionel84      ( Date: 05-Jun-2015 11:20) Posted:



for example, now nobody wants to buy anymore and everybody has sold their shares because this is a shortist haven. Shortists short at $1, shortist sell to their ownselves somemore, 90 cents, 80 cents, 70 cents etc etc

But nobody is selling and nobody is buying, they are only playing with themselves isn' t it?


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You are right, but they sold physically at $1 and now the price is 20 cents.   Wait for some in need of money to sell at 20 cents, lol.   Margin call or someone commiting suicide, lol....

Lionel84      ( Date: 05-Jun-2015 11:20) Posted:



for example, now nobody wants to buy anymore and everybody has sold their shares because this is a shortist haven. Shortists short at $1, shortist sell to their ownselves somemore, 90 cents, 80 cents, 70 cents etc etc

But nobody is selling and nobody is buying, they are only playing with themselves isn' t it?

Demostation      ( Date: 05-Jun-2015 11:07) Posted:



It is not that difficult to understand, or is it? If you shorted at $1 and there is nobody who wants to buy anymore (the fear of being shorted)   in the share, you could probably get it back for 50 cents if you waited since when holders needed the money, they will let go.   If they did not let go to you, ask your friend to short back to you and in a few days you short it back to him, easy does it, right? Fear to buy makes the shortists rich..


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for example, now nobody wants to buy anymore and everybody has sold their shares because this is a shortist haven. Shortists short at $1, shortist sell to their ownselves somemore, 90 cents, 80 cents, 70 cents etc etc

But nobody is selling and nobody is buying, they are only playing with themselves isn' t it?

Demostation      ( Date: 05-Jun-2015 11:07) Posted:



It is not that difficult to understand, or is it? If you shorted at $1 and there is nobody who wants to buy anymore (the fear of being shorted)   in the share, you could probably get it back for 50 cents if you waited since when holders needed the money, they will let go.   If they did not let go to you, ask your friend to short back to you and in a few days you short it back to him, easy does it, right? Fear to buy makes the shortists rich..

Demostation      ( Date: 05-Jun-2015 11:01) Posted:



It is still good for them, if they have shorted first.


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It is not that difficult to understand, or is it? If you shorted at $1 and there is nobody who wants to buy anymore (the fear of being shorted)   in the share, you could probably get it back for 50 cents if you waited since when holders needed the money, they will let go.   If they did not let go to you, ask your friend to short back to you and in a few days you short it back to him, easy does it, right? Fear to buy makes the shortists rich..

Demostation      ( Date: 05-Jun-2015 11:01) Posted:



It is still good for them, if they have shorted first.

Lionel84      ( Date: 05-Jun-2015 10:59) Posted:



on the other hand, how can these shortists benefit if there is no volume or interest from other investors? They keep on shorting themselves, but there are no other ppl  selling?


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It is still good for them, if they have shorted first.

Lionel84      ( Date: 05-Jun-2015 10:59) Posted:



on the other hand, how can these shortists benefit if there is no volume or interest from other investors? They keep on shorting themselves, but there are no other ppl  selling?

Demostation      ( Date: 05-Jun-2015 10:55) Posted:



You all can see, people who buy shares are so afraid of shorting of that particular shares by the shortists who after shorting will come out to say all sorts of groundless funny things about a company that they have shorted, which will never be verified immediately or takes sometime to verify the truth which will be too late and the prices might have fallen shaking off any confidence to buy the share then.

Willing investors become weary of buying shares, that results in low trading volumes or even the interest in investing in shares. How could SGX benefit from this?

Most trading we see now are mostly from churning by related parties, people who pay very little or none in trading commissions, who can churn up billions of shares in one counter.   This is bad...


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on the other hand, how can these shortists benefit if there is no volume or interest from other investors? They keep on shorting themselves, but there are no other ppl  selling?

Demostation      ( Date: 05-Jun-2015 10:55) Posted:



You all can see, people who buy shares are so afraid of shorting of that particular shares by the shortists who after shorting will come out to say all sorts of groundless funny things about a company that they have shorted, which will never be verified immediately or takes sometime to verify the truth which will be too late and the prices might have fallen shaking off any confidence to buy the share then.

Willing investors become weary of buying shares, that results in low trading volumes or even the interest in investing in shares. How could SGX benefit from this?

Most trading we see now are mostly from churning by related parties, people who pay very little or none in trading commissions, who can churn up billions of shares in one counter.   This is bad...

Demostation      ( Date: 05-Jun-2015 10:43) Posted:




Shorting is it good or bad for the market?   What are the pros and the cons? 

I think shorting is an action somewhat similar to an illegal social action, which means taking the laws into one' s own hand and mete out   " perceived justice" to another person.   

The market must only allow participants (shareholders) and not outsiders (non-shareholders) to decide to sell. If one is a shareholder and thinks the share should be sold, only he can sell. 

If one thinks the price of a share is reasonable, he buys and only he can dispose of it and not others, (meaning those who are not shareholders and do not have the required shares), Borrowing of shares to short should be abolished. 

A system can be made for this purpose, but allowing non-participants to sell is disastrous as the many reasons put forward in earlier and other postings. 

I think the new CEO would be looking into this matter, right?


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You all can see, people who buy shares are so afraid of shorting of that particular shares by the shortists who after shorting will come out to say all sorts of groundless funny things about a company that they have shorted, which will never be verified immediately or takes sometime to verify the truth which will be too late and the prices might have fallen shaking off any confidence to buy the share then.

Willing investors become weary of buying shares, that results in low trading volumes or even the interest in investing in shares. How could SGX benefit from this?

Most trading we see now are mostly from churning by related parties, people who pay very little or none in trading commissions, who can churn up billions of shares in one counter.   This is bad...

Demostation      ( Date: 05-Jun-2015 10:43) Posted:




Shorting is it good or bad for the market?   What are the pros and the cons? 

I think shorting is an action somewhat similar to an illegal social action, which means taking the laws into one' s own hand and mete out   " perceived justice" to another person.   

The market must only allow participants (shareholders) and not outsiders (non-shareholders) to decide to sell. If one is a shareholder and thinks the share should be sold, only he can sell. 

If one thinks the price of a share is reasonable, he buys and only he can dispose of it and not others, (meaning those who are not shareholders and do not have the required shares), Borrowing of shares to short should be abolished. 

A system can be made for this purpose, but allowing non-participants to sell is disastrous as the many reasons put forward in earlier and other postings. 

I think the new CEO would be looking into this matter, right?

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Shorting is it good or bad for the market?   What are the pros and the cons? 

I think shorting is an action somewhat similar to an illegal social action, which means taking the laws into one' s own hand and mete out   " perceived justice" to another person.   

The market must only allow participants (shareholders) and not outsiders (non-shareholders) to decide to sell. If one is a shareholder and thinks the share should be sold, only he can sell. 

If one thinks the price of a share is reasonable, he buys and only he can dispose of it and not others, (meaning those who are not shareholders and do not have the required shares), Borrowing of shares to short should be abolished. 

A system can be made for this purpose, but allowing non-participants to sell is disastrous as the many reasons put forward in earlier and other postings. 

I think the new CEO would be looking into this matter, right?
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We cannot guess, nobody knows what he wasd upto, lol.

teeth53      ( Date: 05-Jun-2015 09:21) Posted:

Angmo CEO don know how to re-invent, still using existing tool n info he bring from their/his past experience to SGX Exchange.

HuathuatLeo      ( Date: 04-Jun-2015 22:44) Posted:



Why China stock mkt , Hang seng, nikkei can run while ours is stagnant with more and more   penny counters created by the day?

Must ask our dear politicians and ministers in charge.. why our mkt is damn bad. lmao hahaha.


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HuathuatLeo      ( Date: 04-Jun-2015 22:44) Posted:



Why China stock mkt , Hang seng, nikkei can run while ours is stagnant with more and more   penny counters created by the day?

Must ask our dear politicians and ministers in charge.. why our mkt is damn bad. lmao hahaha.

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Come to think of it, Western countries say, you people work and sweat like a dog, hoping that your children will enjoy lives later, but we people enjoy lives to the fullest first let the country takes care of them in the future..afterall what is the country for. No money in the treasury just print or borrow, nobody gets hurt...live goes on... I think this is the difference.

Demostation      ( Date: 05-Jun-2015 08:56) Posted:



They are smart, because who is so stupid to think that your children will bear your debts, except Singapore, right?

FATABA      ( Date: 05-Jun-2015 08:45) Posted:



The die hard habit of these countries dont change as their government are the same type years after years. Have we come across a western  country which truely improved in their capital reserved...or just borrow more or print more $$. ( except Singapore due to the clean governement.
Eventually it just snowball until such time where it cant any more ...someday. Debt just keep going up and up.
They have so many generations to pay ?  or will they pay ?
Good luck and it does not matter if this round clear or not >   market alrdy factor this in.


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They are smart, because who is so stupid to think that your children will bear your debts, except Singapore, right?

FATABA      ( Date: 05-Jun-2015 08:45) Posted:



The die hard habit of these countries dont change as their government are the same type years after years. Have we come across a western  country which truely improved in their capital reserved...or just borrow more or print more $$. ( except Singapore due to the clean governement.
Eventually it just snowball until such time where it cant any more ...someday. Debt just keep going up and up.
They have so many generations to pay ?  or will they pay ?
Good luck and it does not matter if this round clear or not >   market alrdy factor this in.

GorgeousOng      ( Date: 05-Jun-2015 02:33) Posted:



Greece became the first country to defer a payment to the International Monetary Fund since the 1980s as its game of brinkmanship with creditors goes down to the wire.

With Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras getting ready to address parliament on Friday after receiving a list of creditors? demands, the step underscores the state of the country?s shriveling finances. While international officials have reported some progress in recent days, German Chancellor Angela Merkel said ?we?re still far from reaching a conclusion.?

The current phase of Greece?s crisis is nearing its conclusion as the country runs out of money after four months of deadlock. Stocks and bonds have whipsawed this week amid a flurry of political activity starting with a late-night meeting in Berlin between European leaders and the IMF on Monday.

Greece rejected the latest proposal from Greece?s international creditors, with the Finance Ministry saying the plan ?can?t solve the riddle? and an agreement requires ?immediate convergence of the institutions to more realistic? proposals.

Tsipras, who met European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker in Brussels Wednesday, will address the Greek parliament at 6 p.m. local time on Friday, a Greek official said, with the euro region pressing for an agreement to be wrapped up by June 14. A European official said Greece will study the offer from its creditors and come back to them on Monday.

Greece on Thursday told the IMF it would delay a debt payment of about $339 million (301 million euros) due Friday, submitting a request to the fund to bundle payments totaling about $1.7 billion due this month into one lump-sum payment.

IMF Decision
?The Greek authorities have informed the fund today that they plan to bundle the country?s four June payments into one, which is now due on June 30,? IMF spokesman Gerry Rice said in an e-mailed statement. ?Under an Executive Board decision adopted in the late 1970s, country members can ask to bundle together multiple principal payments falling due in a calendar month.?

Only one country, Zambia, has used the procedure to bundle payments, which happened in the mid-1980s, another IMF spokesman, William Murray, said last week.



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The die hard habit of these countries dont change as their government are the same type years after years. Have we come across a western  country which truely improved in their capital reserved...or just borrow more or print more $$. ( except Singapore due to the clean governement.
Eventually it just snowball until such time where it cant any more ...someday. Debt just keep going up and up.
They have so many generations to pay ?  or will they pay ?
Good luck and it does not matter if this round clear or not >   market alrdy factor this in.

GorgeousOng      ( Date: 05-Jun-2015 02:33) Posted:



Greece became the first country to defer a payment to the International Monetary Fund since the 1980s as its game of brinkmanship with creditors goes down to the wire.

With Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras getting ready to address parliament on Friday after receiving a list of creditors? demands, the step underscores the state of the country?s shriveling finances. While international officials have reported some progress in recent days, German Chancellor Angela Merkel said ?we?re still far from reaching a conclusion.?

The current phase of Greece?s crisis is nearing its conclusion as the country runs out of money after four months of deadlock. Stocks and bonds have whipsawed this week amid a flurry of political activity starting with a late-night meeting in Berlin between European leaders and the IMF on Monday.

Greece rejected the latest proposal from Greece?s international creditors, with the Finance Ministry saying the plan ?can?t solve the riddle? and an agreement requires ?immediate convergence of the institutions to more realistic? proposals.

Tsipras, who met European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker in Brussels Wednesday, will address the Greek parliament at 6 p.m. local time on Friday, a Greek official said, with the euro region pressing for an agreement to be wrapped up by June 14. A European official said Greece will study the offer from its creditors and come back to them on Monday.

Greece on Thursday told the IMF it would delay a debt payment of about $339 million (301 million euros) due Friday, submitting a request to the fund to bundle payments totaling about $1.7 billion due this month into one lump-sum payment.

IMF Decision
?The Greek authorities have informed the fund today that they plan to bundle the country?s four June payments into one, which is now due on June 30,? IMF spokesman Gerry Rice said in an e-mailed statement. ?Under an Executive Board decision adopted in the late 1970s, country members can ask to bundle together multiple principal payments falling due in a calendar month.?

Only one country, Zambia, has used the procedure to bundle payments, which happened in the mid-1980s, another IMF spokesman, William Murray, said last week.


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teeth53      ( Date: 05-Jun-2015 07:54) Posted:



SGX to get new chief regulatory officer in June,...
www.businesstimes.com.sg/stocks/sgx-to-get-new-chief-regulatory...Cached


... will have a new Chief Regulatory Officer in Tan Boon Gin from June 15. . ... SGX to get new chief regulatory officer in June.

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SGX to get new chief regulatory officer in June,...
www.businesstimes.com.sg/stocks/sgx-to-get-new-chief-regulatory...Cached


... will have a new Chief Regulatory Officer in Tan Boon Gin from June 15. . ... SGX to get new chief regulatory officer in June.
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Greece became the first country to defer a payment to the International Monetary Fund since the 1980s as its game of brinkmanship with creditors goes down to the wire.

With Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras getting ready to address parliament on Friday after receiving a list of creditors? demands, the step underscores the state of the country?s shriveling finances. While international officials have reported some progress in recent days, German Chancellor Angela Merkel said ?we?re still far from reaching a conclusion.?

The current phase of Greece?s crisis is nearing its conclusion as the country runs out of money after four months of deadlock. Stocks and bonds have whipsawed this week amid a flurry of political activity starting with a late-night meeting in Berlin between European leaders and the IMF on Monday.

Greece rejected the latest proposal from Greece?s international creditors, with the Finance Ministry saying the plan ?can?t solve the riddle? and an agreement requires ?immediate convergence of the institutions to more realistic? proposals.

Tsipras, who met European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker in Brussels Wednesday, will address the Greek parliament at 6 p.m. local time on Friday, a Greek official said, with the euro region pressing for an agreement to be wrapped up by June 14. A European official said Greece will study the offer from its creditors and come back to them on Monday.

Greece on Thursday told the IMF it would delay a debt payment of about $339 million (301 million euros) due Friday, submitting a request to the fund to bundle payments totaling about $1.7 billion due this month into one lump-sum payment.

IMF Decision
?The Greek authorities have informed the fund today that they plan to bundle the country?s four June payments into one, which is now due on June 30,? IMF spokesman Gerry Rice said in an e-mailed statement. ?Under an Executive Board decision adopted in the late 1970s, country members can ask to bundle together multiple principal payments falling due in a calendar month.?

Only one country, Zambia, has used the procedure to bundle payments, which happened in the mid-1980s, another IMF spokesman, William Murray, said last week.

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Why China stock mkt , Hang seng, nikkei can run while ours is stagnant with more and more   penny counters created by the day?

Must ask our dear politicians and ministers in charge.. why our mkt is damn bad. lmao hahaha.
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