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 Alert Admin 		Erm ya true in some sense. But share price is subjective. If sp goes down he can received cash and still holding he share. If the sp goes over the strike price before deadline he might have temporary gain first. Unless he sells all his share which is above the strike price by then. Otherwise sp can continue to grow or fall back below the strike price. So it is still subjective

luanboo      ( Date: 22-Sep-2017 08:22) Posted:

Folks, I am not really sure why so many people are puzzled over the strike price part of the settlement.
It is really simple. CEO has not much to lose in making such an settlement agreement.
The conspiracy theory about JL wanting to punish Tj by intentionally pushing down the price - does not stand on its feet. Don' t forget JL do hold 46m shares in AMAL - does he really want to push the price down. He' s a shrew businessman afterall.

Illustration. If I owe & am supposed to pay someone $100.
I propose to pay him $50 in cash and $50 in shares (10 shares@$5) - which he cannot sell immediately. The current price of the stock is $2 and I agree to cover the difference if the stock price do not reach $5 by end of year.

Scenario 1 - by end of year, stock price is $5 or more. All good. I pays $50 in cash and $50 in stock ($20 from original stock, $30 from gain in stock)
Scenario 2 - by end of year, stock price is still $2. I pays $50 in cash, $20 in stock, another $30 in cash - which is what I was supposed to pay anyway if there' s no agreement on strike price. But I delay $30 payment until end of the year, better cashflow.

IMHO, that personal saga is nothing but personal and does not really impact the business at all.
All Tj needs to do is to continue to drive the business properly and make sure that ultimately the SP rises - which is what all businessman will want anyway.
Don' t spend too much time pondering over it - not worth your brain cells. It is just a side show that distracts everyone.
Focus on the business. As long as AMAL/TAW delivers the shipment to Burwill and generate the revenue and profits, the share price will recover and scale new heights.

 

Rembrt      ( Date: 21-Sep-2017 22:26) Posted:

The question is how will T worm his way out of the consequences of the agreement with JL?   It' s quite a tight corner he' s painted himself into.   Any ideas?   Placements may damage the price which is not what he wants right now as AMA' s price is somewhat subdued, and it might take some courage on Burwill' s part to invest at a higher price than currently.  


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 Alert Admin 		Folks, I am not really sure why so many people are puzzled over the strike price part of the settlement.
It is really simple. CEO has not much to lose in making such an settlement agreement.
The conspiracy theory about JL wanting to punish Tj by intentionally pushing down the price - does not stand on its feet. Don' t forget JL do hold 46m shares in AMAL - does he really want to push the price down. He' s a shrew businessman afterall.

Illustration. If I owe & am supposed to pay someone $100.
I propose to pay him $50 in cash and $50 in shares (10 shares@$5) - which he cannot sell immediately. The current price of the stock is $2 and I agree to cover the difference if the stock price do not reach $5 by end of year.

Scenario 1 - by end of year, stock price is $5 or more. All good. I pays $50 in cash and $50 in stock ($20 from original stock, $30 from gain in stock)
Scenario 2 - by end of year, stock price is still $2. I pays $50 in cash, $20 in stock, another $30 in cash - which is what I was supposed to pay anyway if there' s no agreement on strike price. But I delay $30 payment until end of the year, better cashflow.

IMHO, that personal saga is nothing but personal and does not really impact the business at all.
All Tj needs to do is to continue to drive the business properly and make sure that ultimately the SP rises - which is what all businessman will want anyway.
Don' t spend too much time pondering over it - not worth your brain cells. It is just a side show that distracts everyone.
Focus on the business. As long as AMAL/TAW delivers the shipment to Burwill and generate the revenue and profits, the share price will recover and scale new heights.

 

Rembrt      ( Date: 21-Sep-2017 22:26) Posted:

The question is how will T worm his way out of the consequences of the agreement with JL?   It' s quite a tight corner he' s painted himself into.   Any ideas?   Placements may damage the price which is not what he wants right now as AMA' s price is somewhat subdued, and it might take some courage on Burwill' s part to invest at a higher price than currently.  

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Lithium Price Breakout
https://www.energyandcapital.com/

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Lithium Price Breakout

https://www.energyandcapital.com/articles/lithium-price-breakout/6067
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22-Sep-2017 00:27     
 
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 Alert Admin 		Quid pro quo.Shake hands and make peace.Why at each others throats?

Rembrt      ( Date: 21-Sep-2017 22:26) Posted:

The question is how will T worm his way out of the consequences of the agreement with JL?   It' s quite a tight corner he' s painted himself into.   Any ideas?   Placements may damage the price which is not what he wants right now as AMA' s price is somewhat subdued, and it might take some courage on Burwill' s part to invest at a higher price than currently.  

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 Alert Admin 		Hi amlithiumpower,
Good to see you back here and below are my thoughts,posted yesterday,  regarding AMAL in discussion with Burwill HL:
1)AMAL shares swap with Burwill ll H:HL to own 25 percent of BCL JV with Jiangte Mining (50%)
2)Alternatively, AMAL use the final offtake prepayment as payment to own 25 percent of BCL JV with Jiangte Mining (50%).
3) Shares placement to Burwill holdings Limited. (The Company is currently evaluating various funding options both equity and debt& hellip )
4) Tantalum offtake agreement?

amlithiumpower      ( Date: 21-Sep-2017 20:59) Posted:

Hi Redeye and Atom Bros, sorry for being away for so Long.
Its been some times since AM surge from sub 10c to record high of 40c plus.
Those who have been long enough with this counter will know the history of the trading pattern of this counter. Remember the Temasek talk, hedge fund habourasia etc till now Rumour of Burwill potential talking into a separate agreement of taking an equity stake. If trading AM can be make into a movie, I think it will be a blockbuster.

Let me interpret the whole situation here. Jonathan has part A of the deal, he had seized a huge chunk of shares from CEO for the payment of $7m and part c is the difference of 50c and the market price by 24 oct 17. I see 2 camps here - Jonathan VS CEO. Jonathan want the share price to be as Low as possible so he could earn the difference in part c. Meanwhile, Low share price means he can sell or transfer more shares in part b of the deal. Fundamentally, Jonathan can do this because the company is good. If it' s a shitty company, he won' t give a damn to seize the shares right. However, our CEO also not stupid too. These few months he must be thinking ways how to fight Jonathan to regain control of his shares back without losing a lot of money. The only possible way (maybe there are others) is to get external help. Burwill will be an ideal candidate. With the latest lithium development in China, I think Burwill will be interested in the overall proposal of CEOs deal. And I' m second guessing that CEO wants Burwill to help to pop up the share price by 24 oct and he can assist by the side by releasing vital info that can revalue the sp. Sounds interesting? Perhaps Bros Redeye, atom and any like minded Bros can give an input into this possible scenario?

Just some random thoughts of mine and please DYODD

Atom99      ( Date: 21-Sep-2017 17:58) Posted:

Great to see like-minded members here.   
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21-Sep-2017 23:50     
 
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 Alert Admin 		I remember u.
When I lost 2yr salary on noble.
U encourage me.
Short at right time is ok.
Ew2, ew4.
I only long.

papayaface      ( Date: 21-Sep-2017 22:29) Posted:

Are you encouraging shorting for this counter ?   Haha Major correction coming !!! Good luck

SgYuan      ( Date: 21-Sep-2017 20:51) Posted:

Px 260
The EW formation is out.
Below is theory of Elliott wave.
Pls don't bombard me because I have a different view. I just want to share.

EW mini 210-235-220-265-250-270-abc.
The above is EW main wave1
EW main 210-W1:270? W2 coming.
W2=270-(270-210)*61.8%=232.92

I hope I am wrong and it continues uptrend.
But to continue, it has to correct.
After W2 end, this is the one I am waiting for.
W3 is 161.8% of W1

So be prepared for the correct to go higher.
Pls trade with care
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 Alert Admin 		Are you encouraging shorting for this counter ?   Haha Major correction coming !!! Good luck

SgYuan      ( Date: 21-Sep-2017 20:51) Posted:

Px 260
The EW formation is out.
Below is theory of Elliott wave.
Pls don't bombard me because I have a different view. I just want to share.

EW mini 210-235-220-265-250-270-abc.
The above is EW main wave1
EW main 210-W1:270? W2 coming.
W2=270-(270-210)*61.8%=232.92

I hope I am wrong and it continues uptrend.
But to continue, it has to correct.
After W2 end, this is the one I am waiting for.
W3 is 161.8% of W1

So be prepared for the correct to go higher.
Pls trade with care.

SgYuan      ( Date: 19-Sep-2017 15:15) Posted:

EW 210-w1:265?-w2?
W1 tgt 290
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 Alert Admin 		The question is how will T worm his way out of the consequences of the agreement with JL?   It' s quite a tight corner he' s painted himself into.   Any ideas?   Placements may damage the price which is not what he wants right now as AMA' s price is somewhat subdued, and it might take some courage on Burwill' s part to invest at a higher price than currently.  
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 Alert Admin 		Hi Redeye and Atom Bros, sorry for being away for so Long.
Its been some times since AM surge from sub 10c to record high of 40c plus.
Those who have been long enough with this counter will know the history of the trading pattern of this counter. Remember the Temasek talk, hedge fund habourasia etc till now Rumour of Burwill potential talking into a separate agreement of taking an equity stake. If trading AM can be make into a movie, I think it will be a blockbuster.

Let me interpret the whole situation here. Jonathan has part A of the deal, he had seized a huge chunk of shares from CEO for the payment of $7m and part c is the difference of 50c and the market price by 24 oct 17. I see 2 camps here - Jonathan VS CEO. Jonathan want the share price to be as Low as possible so he could earn the difference in part c. Meanwhile, Low share price means he can sell or transfer more shares in part b of the deal. Fundamentally, Jonathan can do this because the company is good. If it' s a shitty company, he won' t give a damn to seize the shares right. However, our CEO also not stupid too. These few months he must be thinking ways how to fight Jonathan to regain control of his shares back without losing a lot of money. The only possible way (maybe there are others) is to get external help. Burwill will be an ideal candidate. With the latest lithium development in China, I think Burwill will be interested in the overall proposal of CEOs deal. And I' m second guessing that CEO wants Burwill to help to pop up the share price by 24 oct and he can assist by the side by releasing vital info that can revalue the sp. Sounds interesting? Perhaps Bros Redeye, atom and any like minded Bros can give an input into this possible scenario?

Just some random thoughts of mine and please DYODD

Atom99      ( Date: 21-Sep-2017 17:58) Posted:

Great to see like-minded members here.   

RedEye1811      ( Date: 21-Sep-2017 17:24) Posted:

Bro: You back. Great to hear from you. You and Atom99 two of the key original contributors but you went silent for long time. May still see some ups and downs but hopefully in long run it rises nice and steady. Perhaps hear your wisdom at AGM
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 Alert Admin 		Px 260
The EW formation is out.
Below is theory of Elliott wave.
Pls don't bombard me because I have a different view. I just want to share.

EW mini 210-235-220-265-250-270-abc.
The above is EW main wave1
EW main 210-W1:270? W2 coming.
W2=270-(270-210)*61.8%=232.92

I hope I am wrong and it continues uptrend.
But to continue, it has to correct.
After W2 end, this is the one I am waiting for.
W3 is 161.8% of W1

So be prepared for the correct to go higher.
Pls trade with care.

SgYuan      ( Date: 19-Sep-2017 15:15) Posted:

EW 210-w1:265?-w2?
W1 tgt 290.

SgYuan      ( Date: 18-Sep-2017 15:51) Posted:

Look like correction wave c end
Ew wave 5 190-425. Wa=260-390-210
New EW uptrend start.
EW 210-245?-w2
I will be waiting for wave 2 end
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 Alert Admin 		Nissan to Hyundai Keen on India' s $203 Million Order for EVs
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-09-18/nissan-to-hyundai-keen-on-india-s-203-million-order-for-evs?cmpid=socialflow-twitter-business& utm_content=business& utm_campaign=socialflow-organic& utm_source=twitter& utm_medium=social

How did Proterra get an electric bus to cover 1,100 miles on a charge? A bigger battery, of course.

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1112774_how-did-proterra-get-an-electric-bus-to-cover-1100-miles-on-a-charge-a-bigger-battery-of-course

Lithium is HOT! Nowaday,we would hear reporta  about EVs and Lithium.Really augurs very well for Lithium miners.IMO

risktaker      ( Date: 21-Sep-2017 19:26) Posted:

BYD predicts ambitious China shift to electric cars by 2030

 


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A BYD Tang demonstrates how it shares power with a mockup household at China (Guangzhou) International Automobile Exhibition in Guangzhou, China November 18, 2016. REUTERS/Bobby Yip


SHENZHEN (Reuters) - Chinese automaker BYD Co Ltd (002594.SZ) expects the country&rsquo s shift to cleaner new-energy vehicles (NEV) to be complete in just over a decade, an aggressive timeframe that would challenge traditional carmakers in the world&rsquo top auto market.

All vehicles in the country will be &ldquo electrified&rdquo by 2030, which could range from full electric cars to mild hybrids, BYD Chairman Wang Chuanfu said on Thursday. BYD, backed by Warren Buffett, has already invested heavily in the NEV market.

Carmakers around the world are grappling with government plans to shift away from petrol engine cars to newer, less polluting technologies - a trend that is creating one of the most seismic shifts the automotive industry has gone through.

Earlier this month, a senior Chinese official said the country had begun studying when to ban the production and sale of cars using traditional fuels, without giving a timeframe for the shift. The United Kingdom and France have said they will ban new petrol and diesel cars from 2040.
 


&ldquo We are very confident about all the timetables (to eliminate fossil fuel cars) and we think it will happen earlier than expected,&rdquo Wang said at an event in Shenzhen. &ldquo Various governments have announced timetables to end the sale of fossil fuel cars and this is putting pressure on everyone else.&rdquo

China has set goals for electric and plug-in hybrid cars to make up at least a fifth of its auto sales by 2025 in a bid to combat air pollution and close a competitive gap between its newer domestic automakers and their global rivals.
 
FILE PHOTO: A worker passes by a car being manufactured at a BYD assembly line in Shenzhen, China May 25, 2016. REUTERS/Bobby Yip/File Photo

&ldquo It&rsquo s certainly possible for all cars an automaker sells in China and around the world to be electrified in some way by 2030,&rdquo said James Chao, Shanghai-based Asia-Pacific head of consultancy IHS Markit Automotive.

Others have been less optimistic about the pace of the industry&rsquo s shift to electric cars.
 
FILE PHOTO: Logos of BYD for tyres are seen at an assembly line of the automobile maker in Shenzhen, China May 25, 2016. REUTERS/Bobby Yip/File Photo

This month, General Motor Co&rsquo s (GM.N) CEO said during a visit to China that the shift to NEVs would only work with continued government support and that consumers should be the ones driving demand rather than government mandate.

However, China is phasing out subsidies that have supported makers of NEVs like BYD, leading to a sharp fall in profits for the firm so far this year.
 
 


Global carmakers have also called on China to soften &ldquo impossible&rdquo targets for NEVs, which require firms to sell electric or plug-in hybrid vehicles to generate &lsquo credits&rsquo equivalent to 8 percent of total sales by next year.

Wang added that 20 cities in China would start building BYD sky rail transport systems next year, amid a push by the firm to diversify away from cars alone. Its first sky rail project was launched in the northwestern city of Yinchuan this month.


Reporting by David Stanway additional reporting by Norihiko Shirouzu in BEIJING, writing by Adam Jourdan Editing by Himani Sarkar

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A BYD Tang demonstrates how it shares power with a mockup household at China (Guangzhou) International Automobile Exhibition in Guangzhou, China November 18, 2016. REUTERS/Bobby Yip


SHENZHEN (Reuters) - Chinese automaker BYD Co Ltd (002594.SZ) expects the country&rsquo s shift to cleaner new-energy vehicles (NEV) to be complete in just over a decade, an aggressive timeframe that would challenge traditional carmakers in the world&rsquo top auto market.

All vehicles in the country will be &ldquo electrified&rdquo by 2030, which could range from full electric cars to mild hybrids, BYD Chairman Wang Chuanfu said on Thursday. BYD, backed by Warren Buffett, has already invested heavily in the NEV market.

Carmakers around the world are grappling with government plans to shift away from petrol engine cars to newer, less polluting technologies - a trend that is creating one of the most seismic shifts the automotive industry has gone through.

Earlier this month, a senior Chinese official said the country had begun studying when to ban the production and sale of cars using traditional fuels, without giving a timeframe for the shift. The United Kingdom and France have said they will ban new petrol and diesel cars from 2040.
 


&ldquo We are very confident about all the timetables (to eliminate fossil fuel cars) and we think it will happen earlier than expected,&rdquo Wang said at an event in Shenzhen. &ldquo Various governments have announced timetables to end the sale of fossil fuel cars and this is putting pressure on everyone else.&rdquo

China has set goals for electric and plug-in hybrid cars to make up at least a fifth of its auto sales by 2025 in a bid to combat air pollution and close a competitive gap between its newer domestic automakers and their global rivals.
 
FILE PHOTO: A worker passes by a car being manufactured at a BYD assembly line in Shenzhen, China May 25, 2016. REUTERS/Bobby Yip/File Photo

&ldquo It&rsquo s certainly possible for all cars an automaker sells in China and around the world to be electrified in some way by 2030,&rdquo said James Chao, Shanghai-based Asia-Pacific head of consultancy IHS Markit Automotive.

Others have been less optimistic about the pace of the industry&rsquo s shift to electric cars.
 
FILE PHOTO: Logos of BYD for tyres are seen at an assembly line of the automobile maker in Shenzhen, China May 25, 2016. REUTERS/Bobby Yip/File Photo

This month, General Motor Co&rsquo s (GM.N) CEO said during a visit to China that the shift to NEVs would only work with continued government support and that consumers should be the ones driving demand rather than government mandate.

However, China is phasing out subsidies that have supported makers of NEVs like BYD, leading to a sharp fall in profits for the firm so far this year.
 
 


Global carmakers have also called on China to soften &ldquo impossible&rdquo targets for NEVs, which require firms to sell electric or plug-in hybrid vehicles to generate &lsquo credits&rsquo equivalent to 8 percent of total sales by next year.

Wang added that 20 cities in China would start building BYD sky rail transport systems next year, amid a push by the firm to diversify away from cars alone. Its first sky rail project was launched in the northwestern city of Yinchuan this month.


Reporting by David Stanway additional reporting by Norihiko Shirouzu in BEIJING, writing by Adam Jourdan Editing by Himani Sarkar
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 Alert Admin 		Great to see like-minded members here.   

RedEye1811      ( Date: 21-Sep-2017 17:24) Posted:

Bro: You back. Great to hear from you. You and Atom99 two of the key original contributors but you went silent for long time. May still see some ups and downs but hopefully in long run it rises nice and steady. Perhaps hear your wisdom at AGM.

amlithiumpower      ( Date: 21-Sep-2017 12:42) Posted:

Hi Guys,

Its good to see AM back in action after a long drag out from Jonathan Saga. I' m still holding while doing a few intraday trades here and there. I called to check with my remisier to check whose my counterparty of my sell trade of 100 lots at 25.5 at 11.28.08am (bought at 24.5 in the morning) and he told me its Credit Suisse. I believe yesterday they stunt the market to collect at 24 and today they did again to collect at 24.5 was purposely planned for so that retails wont not dare to load up more at 25.5 to 26.5.

Seeing credit Suisse buy at 25.5 really give me additional boost that this run will be sustainable. I do hope this piece of info can help those who still believe in AM but got so scared due to their flushing patterns to give some due considerations in deciding your investment or trades in AM.

Just my 2cents' worth. DYODD
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 Alert Admin 		To be honest, it took me alot of faith at that low level. But managed to increase holdings by 50%. Selling was never the question, only thing on my mind is whether to buy more.

RedEye1811      ( Date: 21-Sep-2017 17:28) Posted:

Think you and I must have been competing for lots around 22c. I was enjoying gathering more at 22c. Still would like to grab some more at that SP. Agree...it all patience for Q1 2018.

furnaces      ( Date: 21-Sep-2017 13:45) Posted:

Of course still around, holding all my Alliance shares and topped up quite a fair bit at 0.22. Nothing much to say actually except patiently waiting for our reward come q1 2018.
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 Alert Admin 		Think you and I must have been competing for lots around 22c. I was enjoying gathering more at 22c. Still would like to grab some more at that SP. Agree...it all patience for Q1 2018.

furnaces      ( Date: 21-Sep-2017 13:45) Posted:

Of course still around, holding all my Alliance shares and topped up quite a fair bit at 0.22. Nothing much to say actually except patiently waiting for our reward come q1 2018.
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 Alert Admin 		Bro: You back. Great to hear from you. You and Atom99 two of the key original contributors but you went silent for long time. May still see some ups and downs but hopefully in long run it rises nice and steady. Perhaps hear your wisdom at AGM.

amlithiumpower      ( Date: 21-Sep-2017 12:42) Posted:

Hi Guys,

Its good to see AM back in action after a long drag out from Jonathan Saga. I' m still holding while doing a few intraday trades here and there. I called to check with my remisier to check whose my counterparty of my sell trade of 100 lots at 25.5 at 11.28.08am (bought at 24.5 in the morning) and he told me its Credit Suisse. I believe yesterday they stunt the market to collect at 24 and today they did again to collect at 24.5 was purposely planned for so that retails wont not dare to load up more at 25.5 to 26.5.

Seeing credit Suisse buy at 25.5 really give me additional boost that this run will be sustainable. I do hope this piece of info can help those who still believe in AM but got so scared due to their flushing patterns to give some due considerations in deciding your investment or trades in AM.

Just my 2cents' worth. DYODD
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 Alert Admin 		Just so clear, what did AMAL close at today? Was that above or below 25c? Confused as is it not a foregone conclusion that the so powerful shortists are controlling the SP and it must certainly close below 25c right? I watched and watched but am I reading it wrong. Please enlighten us on your prediction to fact.

papayaface      ( Date: 21-Sep-2017 15:53) Posted:

Bulls no more buying appetite, at 4 pm the bears will take over and maul it back to below 25. Watch and see. Good luck

papayaface      ( Date: 21-Sep-2017 14:19) Posted:

It' s going down again to 22 soon before it goes up, so those who  missed out last time can pick up more. Good luc
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 Alert Admin 		Can you please remind me what TAWANA closed out today? Was it advance for the day? Or a decline? Please, enlighten us.

bernardc      ( Date: 21-Sep-2017 09:47) Posted:

0.225
-0.010 (-4.26%)
Delayed:   11:25AM AEST

TAWANA STOCK PRICE AT THE INDICATED TIME
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 Alert Admin 		The 4pm 20 years from now when all lithium ores have been mined?

papayaface      ( Date: 21-Sep-2017 15:53) Posted:

Bulls no more buying appetite, at 4 pm the bears will take over and maul it back to below 25. Watch and see. Good luck

papayaface      ( Date: 21-Sep-2017 14:19) Posted:

It' s going down again to 22 soon before it goes up, so those who  missed out last time can pick up more. Good luc
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