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novice_trader Elite	18-Jul-2013 17:01        novice_trader About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Nv ending bloody for this counter... Trap so many ppl and price nv end going down... Wait I sell it will chiong up...
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giganticmoney Member	18-Jul-2013 16:11        giganticmoney About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	yea total share capital is low, but their profit also low also no point.. Intrinsic      ( Date: 16-Jul-2013 06:41) Posted: Plus, the total issued share capital is very little, which means higher EPS for each share... if u take into account its revenue versus number of issued share, it translates into an EPS too good to be true... Sooner or later BBs will realise this and start snapping up the shares again
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Intrinsic Member	16-Jul-2013 06:41        Intrinsic About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Plus, the total issued share capital is very little, which means higher EPS for each share... if u take into account its revenue versus number of issued share, it translates into an EPS too good to be true... Sooner or later BBs will realise this and start snapping up the shares again
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Intrinsic Member	16-Jul-2013 06:37        Intrinsic About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Bro, you forgot to mention a very important point here which is the earnings per share EPS. If you look at historical EPS + dividend yield you will realise why this counter rose in the first place. Not for the short term trader. SFGuyRuleZ      ( Date: 05-Jul-2013 18:07) Posted: As for projected free cash flows, i do not wish to explain here as it involves certain understanding of fundamentals and can be misleading if discussed over here. However, it involves factors like profits, depreciation/amortization, income tax, finance income/expenses, adjustments for gain/losses on disposal, etc... As for how many years, I am sure when we talk about a business and as investment for long term, we assume that the business can go on for eternity. The number of years therefore I used is infinity leading to the formula => Summation Of Discounted Cash Flows from Future = [(current cashflow) x (1 +g)] / (r - g) , where g = growth rate and r is the yield. I always let g be default since I don't take into account growth rate. As for r, I always let it be 0.12 by default, but if the stock/ business is riskier, you can increase r, for higher risk = higher yield.   Coming up with the valuation of a stock only let you have an idea of what the price is like and whether you should enter or invest. However, fundamentals may change so it would be good to review on a quarterly basis. Also, the question is when will the stock reaches it's fundamental value?? To invest is more than just knowing the valuation of a company/ stock. Below are some pointers one can consider:   1)Debt to equity ratio   2)Industry/ Business Prospects Outlook   3)Average Volume traded   4)Is Discounted Cash Flow Valuation > Net Asset Value? 5)Targeted Market   6)Can company maintain it's revenue or profits? 7) Do most revenue for the year in the form of increase in trade receivables? Is it healthy? Why, etc... 8) Is order book equals or more than the yearly revenue taken into account for valuation? ...I like to share because stock research and investing is one of my interests. However, one should always do his/her homework and know his/her time horizon before investing. Don't anyhow buy or listen to anyone, including me, as we all have different risk appetites, time horizon, amount of capital, etc... Thanks and have a good weekend!! =) SFGuyRuleZ      ( Date: 05-Jul-2013 10:22) Posted: Logically, if you invest in a business, it would only be reasonable if you also pay for the net assets so as to gain returns from the company. Discounted cash flows measure like how much value it can still bring from the future discounted to present value so u know how much it is worth today. So it would be logical to add them up to get a value u willing to pay for. But there are also times when you can pay a premium.. I shall stop here for now as my boss calling me.. lo
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h0ly0wl Senior	16-Jul-2013 00:03        h0ly0wl About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood: Yells: "Huat Big Big!"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	bro.. HT chart not looking nice.. brace for impact.. novice_trader      ( Date: 15-Jul-2013 23:43) Posted: Think more like "Hiap Tong - GAME OVER!!!" Sian... WanSiTong      ( Date: 15-Jul-2013 10:35) Posted: I think the title is outdated and  should be changed to " Hiap Tong - Overvalued ?" LO
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novice_trader Elite	15-Jul-2013 23:43        novice_trader About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Think more like "Hiap Tong - GAME OVER!!!" Sian... WanSiTong      ( Date: 15-Jul-2013 10:35) Posted: I think the title is outdated and  should be changed to " Hiap Tong - Overvalued ?" LOL seanpent      ( Date: 15-Jul-2013 10:21) Posted: why is this weakening ?  seems like it's on  the descending  side of the chart now ...
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Dividend_Warrior Senior	15-Jul-2013 23:31        Dividend_Warrior About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Fundamental   Mood: Yells: "I am getting $1100 per month in dividends :)"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Yup.......   WanSiTong      ( Date: 15-Jul-2013 10:35) Posted: I think the title is outdated and  should be changed to " Hiap Tong - Overvalued ?" LOL seanpent      ( Date: 15-Jul-2013 10:21) Posted: why is this weakening ?  seems like it's on  the descending  side of the chart now ...
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WanSiTong Supreme	15-Jul-2013 10:35        WanSiTong About Contact  Quote this Post!   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I think the title is outdated and  should be changed to " Hiap Tong - Overvalued ?" LOL seanpent      ( Date: 15-Jul-2013 10:21) Posted: why is this weakening ?  seems like it's on  the descending  side of the chart now ...
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seanpent Supreme	15-Jul-2013 10:21        seanpent About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	why is this weakening ?  seems like it's on  the descending  side of the chart now ...
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dicksonh Veteran	15-Jul-2013 09:23        dicksonh About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	not moving up ....come on!!
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giganticmoney Member	12-Jul-2013 18:42        giganticmoney About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	a ray of hope has appear.
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think2profit Master	12-Jul-2013 11:55        think2profit About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Look like highly oversold and may reverse any time.
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giganticmoney Member	12-Jul-2013 11:09        giganticmoney About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	shares the same sentiment. Still holding 40 lots at 0.35 use cash to pick up already. aputako      ( Date: 12-Jul-2013 10:40) Posted: Not over yet. Gotta hold for a while.
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aputako Member	12-Jul-2013 10:40        aputako About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Not over yet. Gotta hold for a while.
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novice_trader Elite	12-Jul-2013 10:15        novice_trader About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Game Over... Top Volume for many days in Red Colour.
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giganticmoney Member	12-Jul-2013 09:54        giganticmoney About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	what happen? why the sudden drop? can still invest?
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SFGuyRuleZ Veteran	05-Jul-2013 18:07        SFGuyRuleZ About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Yells: "You are your own master.."
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	As for projected free cash flows, i do not wish to explain here as it involves certain understanding of fundamentals and can be misleading if discussed over here. However, it involves factors like profits, depreciation/amortization, income tax, finance income/expenses, adjustments for gain/losses on disposal, etc... As for how many years, I am sure when we talk about a business and as investment for long term, we assume that the business can go on for eternity. The number of years therefore I used is infinity leading to the formula => Summation Of Discounted Cash Flows from Future = [(current cashflow) x (1 +g)] / (r - g) , where g = growth rate and r is the yield. I always let g be default since I don't take into account growth rate. As for r, I always let it be 0.12 by default, but if the stock/ business is riskier, you can increase r, for higher risk = higher yield.   Coming up with the valuation of a stock only let you have an idea of what the price is like and whether you should enter or invest. However, fundamentals may change so it would be good to review on a quarterly basis. Also, the question is when will the stock reaches it's fundamental value?? To invest is more than just knowing the valuation of a company/ stock. Below are some pointers one can consider:   1)Debt to equity ratio   2)Industry/ Business Prospects Outlook   3)Average Volume traded   4)Is Discounted Cash Flow Valuation > Net Asset Value? 5)Targeted Market   6)Can company maintain it's revenue or profits? 7) Do most revenue for the year in the form of increase in trade receivables? Is it healthy? Why, etc... 8) Is order book equals or more than the yearly revenue taken into account for valuation? ...I like to share because stock research and investing is one of my interests. However, one should always do his/her homework and know his/her time horizon before investing. Don't anyhow buy or listen to anyone, including me, as we all have different risk appetites, time horizon, amount of capital, etc... Thanks and have a good weekend!! =) SFGuyRuleZ      ( Date: 05-Jul-2013 10:22) Posted: Logically, if you invest in a business, it would only be reasonable if you also pay for the net assets so as to gain returns from the company. Discounted cash flows measure like how much value it can still bring from the future discounted to present value so u know how much it is worth today. So it would be logical to add them up to get a value u willing to pay for. But there are also times when you can pay a premium.. I shall stop here for now as my boss calling me.. lol salami      ( Date: 05-Jul-2013 09:30) Posted: is it correct to add NAV with discounted CF to arrive at fundamental value? for your discounted CF, where did you get the projected cash flows of the company and for how many years...and at what WACC? care to share?
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SFGuyRuleZ Veteran	05-Jul-2013 10:22        SFGuyRuleZ About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Yells: "You are your own master.."
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Logically, if you invest in a business, it would only be reasonable if you also pay for the net assets so as to gain returns from the company. Discounted cash flows measure like how much value it can still bring from the future discounted to present value so u know how much it is worth today. So it would be logical to add them up to get a value u willing to pay for. But there are also times when you can pay a premium.. I shall stop here for now as my boss calling me.. lol salami      ( Date: 05-Jul-2013 09:30) Posted: is it correct to add NAV with discounted CF to arrive at fundamental value? for your discounted CF, where did you get the projected cash flows of the company and for how many years...and at what WACC? care to share?   SFGuyRuleZ      ( Date: 04-Jul-2013 19:20) Posted: If Hiap Tong can maintain it's earnings (assuming earnings are stable) and taking into account no growth (positive or negative), Net Asset Value / share ~=  $0.22 or $0.23 Discounted cash flow valuation / share ~= $0.17 Fundamental value / share ~= $0.4
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salami Member	05-Jul-2013 09:30        salami About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	is it correct to add NAV with discounted CF to arrive at fundamental value? for your discounted CF, where did you get the projected cash flows of the company and for how many years...and at what WACC? care to share?   SFGuyRuleZ      ( Date: 04-Jul-2013 19:20) Posted: If Hiap Tong can maintain it's earnings (assuming earnings are stable) and taking into account no growth (positive or negative), Net Asset Value / share ~=  $0.22 or $0.23 Discounted cash flow valuation / share ~= $0.17 Fundamental value / share ~= $0.4 salami      ( Date: 04-Jul-2013 13:07) Posted: how did you get 0.4?
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tea444u Elite	05-Jul-2013 00:42        tea444u About Contact  Quote this Post!   Mood:
x 0   x 1  Alert Admin	thanks sfguy... will do..maybe i wait and see.... SFGuyRuleZ      ( Date: 04-Jul-2013 23:11) Posted: If based on fundamentals I believe in the future it can be worth a $0.5 stock. But currently this counter is rather speculated in my opinion, therefore kinda risky. If you have a long time horizon, it may still be good to hold. But if it's short-term, you may want to consult the sifus over at " Any Stocks also can discuss forum" . They may offer good technical advice.  tea444u      ( Date: 04-Jul-2013 23:03) Posted: gosh guys...can still buy this one tomorrow if below 40?anyone please advise...thanks
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