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sun233
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29-Oct-2016 10:17
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No problem bro i also plagarised from Business Times. Hoping to buy into this soon. ust waiting for US election clarity.
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nngeeh
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28-Oct-2016 09:02
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Hyflux sold galaxy at ard 190million. They will not face any funding issue in near future... and the preferential will need to be redeem in 1.5 yrs. They will surely redeem to avoid step up... to avoid increase of future borrowing cost (it allow step up to 8%.. future bond issue may need to follow that yirld). Why are retailers so afraid... as the annual yield now is close to 10% at the current price. | ||||
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samudra
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27-Oct-2016 12:26
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hyflux is losing out in business. Those other in similar business us doing well. One example is citi enviromentech. |
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Qanghoo
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27-Oct-2016 10:15
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Brother, think this one chiam see lok one.  So I think if u chiam see tong shd see better times. 
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nngeeh
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27-Oct-2016 10:14
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The market cap for Hyflux is not high .... If it runs into problem, Temasek can take over easily ... just like SMRT.
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Qanghoo
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27-Oct-2016 10:05
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Yep, I think so too.  Cash generated shd make up > 5% of their debt.  Probably  those who see nothing else but the dirty four-letter word " DEBT" might heave a small sigh of relief. 
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Tenjin
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27-Oct-2016 09:58
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The positive direction today is probably due to the announcement last night on the 50% stake in Galaxy Newspring for approximately SGD190M. Funds will be used for future developnments of new projects. |
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Just4win
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27-Oct-2016 09:54
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Hi bro, at least hyflux is green today. my dbs still in the red .   :( 
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Qanghoo
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27-Oct-2016 09:49
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Hyflux gonna conk liao.  Yet, they are still tendering for mega desalination project by PUB.  How is it possible? 
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Qanghoo
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27-Oct-2016 09:48
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If u read the article I posted further down though, we' d see that people are seemingly selling debt securities indiscriminately out of fear of defaults everywhere, without considering nature of coys' businesses.  N fear mongering, some at least mischievious is stoking the raging fire.  Even so called analysts seem to be focusing primarily on debt n almost completely disregarding weighing the  stability of incomes of coys. 
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Just4win
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27-Oct-2016 09:42
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The timing of the dividents also play a part in the bond price. PCS will hv the next payment due nov while CPS already just paid recently, hence the reason for the current lower price in CPS. Yes, I agree.. I personally will prefer to invest in CPS than PCS, for the reason that it is redeemable earlier. .  
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nngeeh
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27-Oct-2016 09:38
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Went in at 93.3. I am betting that Ah Gong will continue to support Hyflux if they need additional fund. Furthermore, if i take reference of their other bond (6% PreCapSec) which is trading at 0.951, this preferential share' s price should be higher as it' ll be redeem in  Apr 2018  at $100 (or step up to 8%)  .... meaning ... if we include the   3 other div payment + the different between the current price and redeem price ... with the duration of 1.5 years, the yield is around 10%. If Hyflux is unable to pay the div for this preference share .. it will also not be able to pay for the other  preferential bond  (6% PreCapSec). There is no reason for this preferential share to be trading at the lower value that 6% PreCapSec. |
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Octavia
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26-Oct-2016 21:15
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Dividend just in yesterday.
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samudra
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25-Oct-2016 13:42
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price of hyflux 6% CPS have touch the low of $93.11. |
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Qanghoo
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24-Oct-2016 16:01
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There was an article which our  Brother Sun223 posted in the Dyna Mac thread a few days ago  which makes very interesting reading.  I' ve ' plagiarised' it here.  Hope Brother Sun doesn' t mind.  It gives some insight as to why even bonds of coys doing well are being sold down to considerably below par.    OCT 21, 20165:50 AM Singapore CORDLIFE Group has asked bondholders to a meeting early next month to get their approval to redeem their debt ahead of maturity, an event which has received little publicity amid the chatter on bond defaults. In fact there' s the danger of collateral damage threatening bonds issued by companies with strong balance sheets with some of the prices of these bonds falling to distressed levels. Year to date (Oct 18) S$17.4 billion worth of bonds have been redeemed, including a chunk redeemed ahead of their scheduled maturity, compared with S$785 million of bonds which have defaulted, restructured or are in the process of restructuring. The chorus of bad news hogging the spotlight is lumping companies with strong balance sheets with those flush with cash, said Terence Lin, assistant director of bonds and portfolio management at fund researcher iFast. " Some are probably still fine but the general sentiment doesn' t make them look good good companies/bad companies are being sold off," said Mr Lin. The price of Dyna-Mac bonds fell to 92 cents on the dollar before the company announced on September 8 it would get bondholders' approval to redeem the bonds ahead of its August 1 2017 scheduled maturity date. Although Dyna-Mac operates in the troubled offshore and marine space, it had a net cash position end-June 2016, noted Mr Lin. Bonds are sold at 100 par. " There was a sell-off in Singdollar bonds after August, it was collateral damage," he said, referring to Dyna-Mac' s price which had fallen to distressed levels prior to the redemption announcement. Dyna-Mac redeemed the S$50 million worth of bonds earlier this month. Another bond which has slumped is CW Group Holdings, whose price of around 88, or a yield of about 15 per cent, is " mispriced" as it suggests dire business conditions and stress in the company' s financials, which is not the case, Mr Lin said. " At 15 per cent (yield) the risk reward has turned in favour of the bond investor," said Mr Lin, who calls the bond " attractive." The poor sentiment surrounding SGD bonds is also making it difficult for small companies to raise debt, and investors fearful of investing their growing mountains of cash. Clifford Lee, DBS Bank head of fixed income, said it' s like a " fixation" that the entire SGD bond market is in trouble " which is not true." He noted that Singapore companies are healthy overall when you look at the redemptions which have been taking place so far this year. Year-to-date some 122 deals amounting to S$11.8 billion have matured as scheduled while 16 issues amounting to S$4.87 billion have been redeemed ahead of maturity. There are three main reasons for redemption ahead of maturity: Several issues redeemed this year are perpetuals which have call dates, that is, the issuer has the right to call or redeem at a certain date. Others are due to refinancing of existing bonds with cheaper or more efficient alternative funding, such as taking out a bank loan. " It could be refinancing for longer tenure at a more efficient rate," said Mr Lee. Some early retirement of bonds is due to a lower requirement for funding in view of more cautious market sentiment and slower future business growth expectations, he added. Genting' s strong " fortress-like" balance sheet - as at end-June 2016, it had a whopping cash balance to the tune of S$4.87 billion - means the firm is likely to call or redeem its two perpetual bonds worth a combined S$2.3 billion in the second half of 2017, said Mr Lin. But cash flush investors are wondering what to do with their money. Said Neel Gopalakrishnan, Credit Suisse, emerging markets bond analyst, private banking research: " Finding good quality bonds in SGD is a challenge for investors." In the absence of suitable alternatives, investors would need to move on to another asset class in SGD or invest in bonds of other currencies, he said. " For example, the USD bond market has much deeper liquidity and choice of credits compared to the SGD bond market, and investors could also potentially benefit from currency gains, given our expectation of a gradual depreciation in the SGD." |
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john_ric
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24-Oct-2016 15:34
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errrr... not very good trend. might dropp below $90.    why why why the funds seems divesting it. is it that bad counter?? . |
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Qanghoo
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24-Oct-2016 15:06
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I' m not vested.  Thx for the scarcasm. 
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enjoylife77
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24-Oct-2016 15:01
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Your questionable counter drop by 0.7% as of now.  Congratulation.
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samudra
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23-Oct-2016 09:49
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if you own a house and now need to sell and rent another to live in........ that already tell you a story .
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Qanghoo
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23-Oct-2016 07:34
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The business model of SCB was so questionable that management sold 6 Battery Road.  The business model of Straits Trading is so questionable that management sold the Straits Trading Bldg.  Make sense?  I' m sure if we search ard, there are quite a number of other businesses with " questionable business models" which had done the same thing in recent yrs.  |
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