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26-Aug-2014 10:48
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you have been taking us round and round with no answers |
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26-Aug-2014 10:40
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Ok. Let me show you why the Lenders said " MUST NOW BE QUARANTEED BY COPEINCA" Based on its US$2.5 billion of assets at the end of March, Copeinca accounted for at least 90 per cent of the group&rsquo s total assets and earnings, company filings show. Are you still going to say no money, no funds, look at the statement ....  US$2.5 billion of assets at the end of March.  Copeinca is a gold mine. |
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SLPY69
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26-Aug-2014 10:33
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Are the Lenders stupid ... piak, piak, piak ??? Of course not After lending so much money to China Fishery decide to " Harakiri" Japanese word for commit suicide. You have the answer " Of course NOT" Question : What are they trying to do ? Again the answer is in the article BUT you chose to ignore it ... haizz so sad.  |
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26-Aug-2014 10:28
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Answer is in the report, China Fishery spent more than US$782 million taking over Copeinca last year, giving it control of the biggest anchovy quota holder in Peru and the world&rsquo s third-largest fish meal producer. The purchase was partly funded by loans which lenders say must now be guaranteed by Copeinca. Next Question : Why the lenders say must now be guaranteed by Copeinca ? |
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SLPY69
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26-Aug-2014 10:25
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Question : Why is China Fishery pushing for Corporacion Pesquera Inca SAC, its Lima-based unit better known as Copeinca, to back obligations including US$650 million of credit lines from five lenders, US$300 million of its July 2019 bonds and future borrowings, company filings showed ? When you are able to answer this question, it will answer your question about where is the money ? |
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26-Aug-2014 09:58
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Sori.. the money to redeem the bonds..
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26-Aug-2014 09:57
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Where do they get the money to redeem the loan now?  Cash in hand is only about $138 mil |
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SLPY69
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26-Aug-2014 09:07
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I am sure we have been taught, important to read the conclusion which summarises what they have to say. S& P " The worst-case scenario, if they can' t get the consent from Copeinca bondholders, is a technical default on the loans, and the banks will probably give them a temporary waiver," Annisa Lee, a credit analyst in Hong Kong at Nomura Holdings Inc., said by phone on Aug. 20. " The  other alternative is for them to call the Copeinca bonds."   Fitch conclude " The risk of both the consent solicitation failing and COPEINCA' s creditors refusing to give China Fishery any grace period to seek refinancing for the bonds is low." They do not see it as an issue because it can be solved. Wind and Rain is here again. Enjoy |
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26-Aug-2014 08:41
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S& P " The worst-case scenario, if they can' t get the consent from Copeinca bondholders, is a technical default on the loans, and the banks will probably give them a temporary waiver,"
The market will take the opportunity to S& P " The worst-case scenario, if they ca' t get the consent from Copeinca bondholders, is a technical default on the loans, and the banks will probably give them a temporary waiver," If this happen, market will take the opportunity to push down the chinafish price, nobody know how low it can go as technical default on the loans never happen in the past. Hope they can pass the consent else...
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SLPY69
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26-Aug-2014 07:14
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Stockpicker, the presentation maybe different BUT the conclusion is the same ... S& P " The worst-case scenario, if they ca' t get the consent from Copeinca bondholders, is a technical default on the loans, and the banks will probably give them a temporary waiver," Annisa Lee, a credit analyst in Hong Kong at Nomura Holdings Inc., said by phone on Aug. 20. " The other alternative is for them to call the Copeinca bonds." Fitch conclude " The risk of both the consent solicitation failing and COPEINCA' s creditors refusing to give China Fishery any grace period to seek refinancing for the bonds is low."     |
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25-Aug-2014 22:25
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Fitch did not cut but S& P already cut rating to B..Moody will review rating  If CF cannot get bond holders' agreement, http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-08-21/china-fishery-faces-second-deadline-in-debt-restructure-attempt.html   |
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EZ3626
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25-Aug-2014 20:24
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Fitch: Extension of Consent Solicitation Won' t Impact China Fishery RatingsMon Aug 25, 2014 9:31am GMT
(The following statement was released by the rating agency) HONG KONG/SINGAPORE, August 25 (Fitch) Fitch Ratings says today that giving bondholders of Corporacion Pesquera Inca SAC (COPEINCA, B+/Stable) one more month to decide if they consent to changes in the bond indenture will not impact Fitch' s ratings on its parent China Fishery Group Limited (China Fishery BB-/Negative). The Chinese company' s fundamentals remain strong and as a result, the risk of it facing immediate liquidity issues from this event remains low. The purpose of the consent solicitation is to remove the restriction on Copeinca ASA, COPEINCA' s parent, and the operating entities under it from guaranteeing debts of China Fishery Group. China Fishery acquired Copeinca ASA, a major anchovy-quota holder in Peru, in 2013. The extension of the consent solicitation to 17 September 2014 reflects the reluctance of COPEINCA bondholders to agree to the amended indenture at the current consent fee of 1%. In general, the process to win consent from bondholders can be lengthy and often requires several iterations of the offer. In the event bondholders refuse to give consent regardless of terms, China Fishery would have to refinance the COPEINCA bonds immediately. The risk of both the consent solicitation failing and COPEINCA' s creditors refusing to give China Fishery any grace period to seek refinancing for the bonds is low. China Fishery' s operation remains cash generative and it is likely to generate positive free cash flow to help in its deleveraging. Revenue for the nine months to 30 June 2014 increased by 13.4% from a year earlier and EBITDA margin increased to 44.5% from 43.2%, primarily due to higher revenue contribution and cost savings from the enlarged Peruvian fishmeal operations, which offset the thinner trading margins from the spot purchase business in Russia. Fitch expects the underlying earnings profile of China Fishery to strengthen given the firm demand for fishmeal, a staple needed for aquaculture globally, and savings to be realised from the further consolidation of its enlarged Peruvian business. The refund of a total US$241.5m from a long-term supply agreement (LSA) with its Russian suppliers is on track. China Fishery received US$80m in June 2014 and it expects to receive another US$60m by the end of the current fiscal year on 30 September 2014 (FY14) with the remaining to be fully paid by end of FY16. Its inventory of USD183m at end-June 2014 will be partly liquidated by the end of FY14 as the fishing season enters its lowest point. This cash release together with the LSA refund might drive China Fishery' s FY14 net leverage to below 3.5x if management continues to deleverage. China Fishery' s ability to generate positive free cash flow of about USD90m from FY15 will help the company reduce its leverage to below 3.0x by FY16. 
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EZ3626
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25-Aug-2014 17:33
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Wau today really got wind and rain   .... quite chun .... truly the El Nino is leaving .... Before market close, there was sell down. Now is still wait and see ... CNBC news Dog days of August could bring surprise for stocks  Patti Domm |  @pattidomm  Friday, 22 Aug 2014 | 6:39 PM ET The dog days of August are finally here, but markets could be volatile in the week ahead as focus shifts away from the Fed and possibly to Russia and Ukraine at the beginning of the week. Enjoy .... |
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24-Aug-2014 05:46
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South Wind and Rain?  LOL.. is that 諸 葛 亮 telling you about?  Didn' t know he is still around.. though he was only familiar with East Wind.. |
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Johnathan
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23-Aug-2014 23:44
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I'm sure the price would reflect how good this stock is... And if it is as said then all the best waiting for the uptrend or turn around to come? | ||||
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SLPY69
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23-Aug-2014 22:02
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Don' t mind telling you, the El Niñ o is going away because the South Wind is blowing and rain is on the way ..... Enjoy your weekends |
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23-Aug-2014 20:58
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Dun pop that Champagne and celebrate that the El-Nino is already over... this latest report on 18 August 2014 from NOAA Enso said that deep down    100-200 meters in the equatorial pacific,    the sea temperature is rising since Jun 2014...  it  said Most models favor El Niñ o (greater than or equal to +0.5º C) to develop in the next several months and persist through Northern Hemisphere winter 2014-15. http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/lanina/enso_evolution-status-fcsts-web.pdf
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Leongsan
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23-Aug-2014 11:19
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long or short is just a trade. You carry out your belief and hopefully make a profit. For me 32 is a good price to hold.Dividend is probably only 1 cent. Their junk bond 11% return
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SLPY69
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23-Aug-2014 10:08
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Stockseer, due respect to you, please find out how many stocks has a free float of 20% to public shareholders ? Fitch after studied and assessed the operation of China Fishery, then said " BECAUSE  the agency already expects China Fishery' s Peru operations to eventually be fully integrated and considers Copeinca ASA' s bonds as part of China Fishery' s debts" It is fair statement because it was reported before yesterday report which excites the sentiment of retail investors. The proposed amendments will not alter the key business terms, such as the interest rate or maturity date, of the USD250m Copeinca bonds due 2017. Fitch does not see any changes to its view on China Fishery if the proposed indenture changes are adopted because the agency already expects China Fishery' s Peru operations to eventually be fully integrated and considers Copeinca ASA' s bonds as part of China Fishery' s debts Funds are flowing in, net income is healthy, fish price is up, operation is being integrated, El Niñ o is going away till end of the year, demand is increasing ..... Mother Company is the 12 largest seafood company in the world by revenue. There is room to improve the machinery further .... Enjoy and watch ... 
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22-Aug-2014 18:08
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sorry ,Just because most shares are owned by 2 entities , and u think bb won t short in the next 6 months? at what pirce are they in?  East wind dun blow every year, If not everyday chibi . Enter wrongly and the west wind burn away all your shiips      
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