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China Fishery - Low PE
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22-Aug-2014 18:00
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Traders can short sell through CFD or lending pool from CDP.. if short sell through CFD,    the brokers will find ways to cover any shortfall.. how do we know that the brokers do not have have stocks? The question is whether it is time to short.. |
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SLPY69
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22-Aug-2014 15:04
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Just watch out for the short sell order .... I am sure many have taken this opportunity to short the BB.  I wouldn' t do it, very risky because China Fishery has  less than 20% to the rest of the market,  which means public shareholders have access to very few shares. Can obtain this from the web, Pacific Andes International Holdings owns 70.5% shares, investing in 2004 to eventually list China Fishery Group on the Singapore Exchange in 2006. American asset management firm, The Carlyle Group, bought 11.1% (13.6% including warrants) in 2010. Jonathan is probably making a right comment, you just don' t know .... go slow. East wind is blowing ... can you feel it .... of course you cannot see .... watch the surrounding. Yes, it is coming .....         |
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22-Aug-2014 15:04
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Downtrend stock...  let' s see if the 0.355 can hold... |
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22-Aug-2014 14:58
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sorry , why are u using a dated older article to refute? not sure why bondholders should let a debt free compnay give 90% of an earnings to a compay which overborrows, concensus, how much leg and hand u need to give? as you said    solicitation team team want to drag for more money to charge to shareholders eventually. can t even smell BB near this thing  
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SLPY69
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22-Aug-2014 14:42
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Looking at the overall picture of China Fishery they do not see it as a big issue .... it has been over- rated, conjured up. As I have said the matter will and can be resolved BUT why would the Solicitation Team wants to do it in one goal. Do it slowly got money mah .... Human is to make simple thing complex then can justify their worth down through history. Just watch show " Clash of the Titans"   China Fishery is doing well .... if they don' t talk about the loan, tell me what you want them to talk. Wu Liao     |
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SLPY69
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22-Aug-2014 14:32
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Please read carefully ... will not be impacted EVEN IF .......
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22-Aug-2014 13:12
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this is today article , rating   already slashed down B . yours is 17 july.u want to offload to someone else?   Last week,  Standard & Poor&rsquo s  cut its ratings on China Fishery and Copeinca by one level to B, or five steps below investment grade, and put them on negative watch because of the risk debt can&rsquo t be refinanced. Moody&rsquo s Investors Service said last month it will review its B2 rating if the consent process fails. Anchovy QuotaChina Fishery officials didn&rsquo t immediately return e-mails and calls made outside of working hours for the Singapore-listed group. Calls to Copeinca&rsquo s main number weren&rsquo t answered. China Fishery spent more than $782 million taking over Copeinca last year, giving it control of the biggest anchovy quota-holder in  Peru  and the world&rsquo s third-largest fishmeal producer. The purchase was partly funded by loans that lenders now say must be guaranteed by Copeinca, according to S& P. With some $2.5 billion of assets at the end of March, Copeinca accounted for at least 90 percent of the group&rsquo s total assets and earnings, company filings show. &ldquo That&rsquo s a lot of additional debt for Copeinca bondholders to share with other group creditors,&rdquo Charles Macgregor, the Singapore-based head of  Asia  at Lucror Analytics Pte, an independent credit-research company, said before the extension was announced. &ldquo This is a credit that continues to surprise on the downside.&rdquo Bonds FallCopeinca bondholders are being offered $10 for every $1,000 in face value of bonds held, or 1 cent on the dollar, as an incentive to consent to the covenant changes. If the minimum number, or 50.1 percent, of bondholders agree, that will cost the company $1.25 million. The yield on China Fishery&rsquo s 9.75 percent 2019 notes has risen 7 basis points this week to 10.576 percent as of yesterday, Bloomberg-compiled prices show. The yield on Copeinca&rsquo s 2017 bonds rose 19 basis points to 11.1 percent today at 2:52 p.m. inNew York, reaching the highest in five months. Worst-CaseChina Fishery signed a four-year credit facility for $650 million in March with China CITIC Bank International Ltd., Rabobank International, DBS Bank Ltd., Standard Chartered Plc and HSBC Holdings Plc, according to the March 24 statement. Proceeds were to be used to redeem Copeinca&rsquo s 2017 notes, acquire the rest of the shares in Copeinca it didn&rsquo t already own, repay some debt and for general corporate purposes. The bond buyback plan was scrapped in May, according to a May 23 notice to bondholders obtained byBloomberg News. &ldquo The worst-case scenario, if they can&rsquo t get the consent from Copeinca bondholders, is a technical default on the loans, and the banks will probably give them a temporary waiver,&rdquo Annisa Lee, a credit analyst in  Hong Kong  at Nomura Holdings Inc., said by phone on Aug. 20. &ldquo The other alternative is for them to call the Copeinca bonds.&rdquo http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-08-21/china-fishery-faces-second-deadline-in-debt-restructure-attempt.html             |
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SLPY69
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22-Aug-2014 12:07
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Can you hear the cheering from behind .... listen carefully " You can do it .... grow like a Champion grow" Wonder who is the one saying it .... O it is the Banks ..... you are our Money Tree. Keep growing and we love you.  Mother company,  Pacific Andes International Holdings, the twelfth-largest seafood company in the world by revenue. Caperone, please take good care of CF' s need, this BB has potential .... and make sure the solicitation team get it done. We want results  Why would anyone wants to throw out a Wimbledon, PGA ..... Champion ? Must be kidding ... fundamental of CF is intact. Fitch: China Fishery' s Ratings Not Impacted By Consent SolicitationThu Jul 17, 2014 10:08pm EDT (The following statement was released by the rating agency) SINGAPORE/HONG KONG, July 17 (Fitch) Fitch Ratings says today that the ratings of  China  Fishery Group Limited (China Fishery BB-/Negative) and its  bonds  due 2019 will not be impacted even if the proposed amendments in the consent solicitation announced on 14 July 2014 are adopted.
 
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Johnathan
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22-Aug-2014 10:53
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I think this stock fundamentals are intact but i only feel now fish not so popular... Maybe only short term i guess? If long term this stock i believe can do well. But just not for me now i already cleared off my remaining lots. Personally i a bit scared liao | ||||
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22-Aug-2014 10:44
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365 gone.. testing 360 .. if this 360 is gone.. then jialat liao |
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JMS213
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22-Aug-2014 10:18
Yells: "Just living is not enough. One must have sunshine, freedom !" |
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Bro, you talk like you don' t eat fish ...  There are a lot of benefits omega oil, ..... Food for the brain. It can only get more and more attractive Not enough that is why they have come up with aquaculture fish to cater for the demand. 
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JMS213
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22-Aug-2014 10:14
Yells: "Just living is not enough. One must have sunshine, freedom !" |
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Wow ... Guess it is a good time to buy.   Thanks |
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Johnathan
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22-Aug-2014 10:14
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Not easy battle of giants... China fishery cannot make it la only sell fish how to survive?
Downtrend liao la from here keep suck retailers money |
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SLPY69
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22-Aug-2014 10:11
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You have missed this. Profession .... consultants the longer it drags ... they are paid mah ....  Ok let me give you an illustration, when you lost your key and trapped outside your house. You call in a locksmith to open the lock. Imagine if he open the lock in 3 sec, how to justify $80 for 3 seconds job. So the locksmith needs to wayang a bit lah sweat a bit lah, pause 2 mins lah and then finally open the lock. You feel so touch and grateful, thank him and pay him $80 willingly.  Maybe you like to find out how much the professional for this exercise. If I am not wrong, it is based on time. Bingo ..... This is facts of life Maybe they should overhaul the team that carried out the solicitation .... twice they have extended the exercise. They are paid .. any extension means they are paid handsomely, not cheap. Do you know that ?    |
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22-Aug-2014 09:58
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Think they failed and extended the date.. ************************************************ China Fishery Group Ltd. (CFG), the Singapore-based anchovy seller facing credit-rating downgrades, extended an effort to change bond terms at its Peruvian unit amid analyst predictions the deal won&rsquo t win over investors. Corporacion Pesquera Inca SAC, the Lima-based unit known as Copeinca, pushed the deadline for bondholder approval of the offer to Sept. 18, according to a statement on the website at consent tabulation agent D.F. King & Co. The solicitation had been set for expiration today, after delaying the initial deadline from July 30. China Fishery is seeking bondholder approval to use the Peruvian unit to guarantee as much as $1.2 billion of obligations of the corporate group, including $650 million of credit lines, $300 million of bonds due in July 2019 and future borrowings, company filings show. While the deal would bring special fees for Copeinca bondholders, they may not be enough to win approval, according to BCP Securities LLC. &ldquo They&rsquo re just extending it and hoping for the best,&rdquo Mariela Anguiano, an analyst at BCP in Greenwich, Connecticut, said by phone today. &ldquo We continue to believe that it will be difficult for them to get the consent if they don&rsquo t sweeten the deal.&rdquo To relax the terms, the company needs majority approval from holders of Copeinca&rsquo s $250 million notes due February 2017, according to a July 17 consent solicitation document. Last week, Standard & Poor&rsquo s cut its ratings on China Fishery and Copeinca by one level to B, or five steps below investment grade, and put them on negative watch because of the risk debt can&rsquo t be refinanced. Moody&rsquo s Investors Service said last month it will review its B2 rating if the consent process fails. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-08-21/china-fishery-faces-second-deadline-in-debt-restructure-attempt.html |
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SLPY69
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22-Aug-2014 09:57
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It is sufficient, you are seeing the right place. I also knew you are going to paste this as well.  They have rided through the biggest storm ever and made headnews and many heads to turn. This is a small issue to handle. Maybe they should overhaul the team that carried out the solicitation .... twice they have extended the exercise. They are paid .. any extension means they are paid handsomely, not cheap. Do you know that ?   |
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22-Aug-2014 09:48
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Knew you would say that
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JMS213
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22-Aug-2014 09:39
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Can I say this is a buying opportunity ? When the company has consolidated the operation and business is bringing in profits and not lost.  When funds are coming back, El Niñ o issue has subsided, price of fishmeal is going up .....  I remembered Fitch said this will not affect the rating. I am sure, they have peered into their account and latest quarter, net profits is healthy after factoring the finance costs. is it interesting how this exercise got blown out of proportion ....  |
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SLPY69
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22-Aug-2014 09:28
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Trust me, it can be settled. Note I did not say " may" rather " can" . Certain things not at liberty to say. Thank you |
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SLPY69
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22-Aug-2014 09:25
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Please check properly .... that is incorrect. |
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