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JMS213
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20-Jul-2014 00:42
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If you are now the team going to present the solicitation to the bondholders, what will you be saying to them ? We want you to take up more debt $1.2bn. Of course, NOT. Read the headline. China Fishery seeks Copeinca bondholders' nod to merge Peru ops, They must have thought through the whole process and were being advised by the experts before they they go ahead with this proposal. " The proposed amendment will pave the way for China Fishery to consolidate its Peru operations under its main Peru subsidiary, CFG Peru," said Fitch What is in the mind of all the bondholders " What' s in it for me ?" Equilibrium is positive or long. Enjoy ...  |
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JMS213
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20-Jul-2014 00:12
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Leongsan, when CF acquired Copeinca, who world is saying why so stupid ? On hindsight, Copeinca has become the saving grace for CF. Nothing new, then and now, the same song is being played  " The whole Copeinca guarantee the us$250m debt. For 0.75% more why would the bondholders share with $1,25billion debts? Very fishy? What is your view? Are they really hard up for cash ?" I am sure they have the plan for a better future for CF. Don' t make the bondholders sound so stupid.  Global rating company, Fitch concludes by saying " Fitch does not see any changes to its view on China Fishery if the proposed indenture changes are adopted because the agency already expects China Fishery' s Peru operations to eventually be fully integrated and considers Copeinca ASA' s bonds as part of China Fishery' s debts. If you still didn' t get it, let me enlarge it  " Already expects ...... Copeinca ASA' s bonds as part of China Fishery' s debts" . They ain' t surprise
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Leongsan
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19-Jul-2014 12:36
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The whole Copeinca guarantee the us$250m debt. For 0.75% more why would the bondholders share with $1,25billion debts? Very fishy? What is your view? Are they really hard up for cash?
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19-Jul-2014 07:56
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Moody placed the solicitation on credit negative watch.. meaning,  Moody' s rating not affected now  but there will be 50% chance of a credit rating downgrade,  some said within the next 3 months.if there the situation does not improve but deteriorate. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Announcement: Moody' s: Corporacion Pesquera Inca' s consent solicitation is credit negative but does not affect its B2 ratings 
Global Credit Research - 18 Jul 2014
Mexico, July 18, 2014 -- Moody' s Investors Service said today that Corporacion Pesquera Inca, S.A.C.´ s consent solicitation is credit negative for Copeinca but has no immediate impact on its B2 corporate family and senior unsecured debt ratings or stable outlook. While the cross guarantee structure will allow the company to have access to China Fishery Group Limited' s (B2 stable) EBITDA, Copeinca' s leverage is expected to increase but still remain below the downgrade trigger of 5 times. For further information, please refer to our issuer comment published on www.moodys.com.mx on July 18, 2014. Corporació n Pesquera Inca S.A.C., headquartered in Lima, Peru, is the second largest fishmeal and fish oil producer in Peru and is owned by China Fishery Group Ltd. For the last twelve months ended March 31, 2014, the company reported revenues of USD263 million. |
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T2LE56
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19-Jul-2014 06:27
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Just to highlight the assessment by Fitch with regard to the Consent Solicitation by China Fishery Fitch: China Fishery' s Ratings Not Impacted By Consent Solicitation In a note, Fitch said the request would not affect its rating of China Fishery and said its bonds, due 2019, would not be impacted if the request is adopted. " The proposed amendments will pave the way for China Fishery to consolidate its Peru operations under its main Peru subsidiary, CFG Peru," said Fitch. " The proposed amendments will not alter the key business terms, such as the interest rate or maturity date, of the $250m Copeinca bonds due 2017. " Fitch does not see any changes to its view on China Fishery if the proposed indenture changes are adopted because the agency already expects China Fishery&rsquo s Peru operations to eventually be fully integrated and considers Copeinca ASA' s bonds as part of China Fishery' s debts." |
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stockpicker
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18-Jul-2014 21:20
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Doing all these with the purpose to raise more money?    another $1.2 bln for the group?  Most likely not able to raise such  amount under Copeinca.. |
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Blanchard
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18-Jul-2014 17:30
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China Fishery seeks Copeinca bondholders&rsquo nod to merge Peru ops, with $1.2bn debt (Eva Tallaksen  - Undercurrent News, July 18, 2014, 9:42 am)
  Pacific Andes&rsquo fishing arm China Fishery Group has asked holders of Copeinca&rsquo s $250 million bond to approve a change to their terms  that would see  Copeinca guarantee up to $1.2  billion of debt belonging to China Fishery. This would include $250m in  new debt  that might  be issued by China Fishery. The request was sent in a July 17 notice to Copeinca bondholders. If the request receives approval from 50% of bondholders by July 30, China Fishery will be able to transfer the assets of the Peruvian fishmeal producer Copeinca, which it acquired in September 2013, to China Fishery Peru. Copeinca will then become guarantor of  up to $1.2bn in debt of China Fishery, including $650m of the new $750m loan issued in March, $300m in existing China Fishery notes and up to another $250m of senior notes or debt that might be issued by China Fishery. &ldquo Currently, the terms of the Copeinca bonds do not allow China Fishery to transfer assets without their approval. The guarantee of the bonds now of Copeinca is by all of Copeinca&rsquo s current subsidiaries,&rdquo a US Copeinca bondholder told Undercurrent News. &ldquo The documents do not let Copeinca guarantee anyone else, China Fishery wants to change that and let Copeinca guarantee the subsidiaries of China Fishery  Peru.&rdquo &ldquo They want bondholders to agree to amend the terms of the original issue (the prospectus) to guarantee $1.2bn of China Fishery existing bonds and new notes.&rdquo This bondholder was in disbelief over the request.  &ldquo Seriously, who is going to approve of that. I sure hope no one.&rdquo In its document, China Fishery said the request  would enable it to grow and ink financing deals it could not  otherwise pursue. The change would also allow certain China Fishery subsidiaries including its Peru division to support the repayment of the Copeinca notes &mdash and vice versa, would enable Copeinca to support China Fishery debts, it said. It then added Copeinca would benefit from the deal thanks to a &ldquo consolidated financing platform&rdquo and &ldquo enhanced liquidity&rdquo . The document said the move would allow it to transfer Copeinca&rsquo s Copeinca International subsidiary to China Fishery Peru, and allow it to merge or transfer Copeinca assets &mdash including by way of liquidation &mdash to China Fishery Peru. In a note, Fitch said the  request would not affect its rating of China Fishery and said its bonds, due 2019, would not be impacted if the request is adopted. &ldquo The proposed amendments will pave the way for China Fishery to consolidate its Peru operations under its main Peru subsidiary, CFG Peru,&rdquo said Fitch. &ldquo The proposed amendments will not alter the key business terms, such as the interest rate or maturity date, of the  $250m Copeinca bonds due 2017. &ldquo Fitch does not see any changes to its view on China Fishery if the proposed indenture changes are adopted because the agency already expects China Fishery&rsquo s Peru operations to eventually be fully integrated and considers Copeinca ASA&rsquo s bonds as part of China Fishery&rsquo s debts.&rdquo |
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stockpicker
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18-Jul-2014 16:53
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One other way it could be read  is that CF wanted to merge copeinca and CFG Peru and CFIL and the senior notes agreement is in the way and therefore a solicitation is required..
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stockpicker
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18-Jul-2014 15:10
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Going through quickly the script of the solicitation.       Not quite sure why such  solicitation is requested.   But if one think along the line that more money is to be borrowed for the continued operation,  it would  become clear that there were some clauses in the original Copeinca&rsquo s senior notes that restricted (Copeinca) from raising more funds.  Therefore,  the solicitation sought to amend these restrictions (in the COP Indenture) so that     (money can be borrowed) to allow Copeinca Norway, Copeinca and the Restricted Subsidiaries to   guarantee up to US$1,200 million.   As a sweetener,    it specifically mentioned that the agreement will allow the group of companies (CFG Peru, CFIL and SFR)  to provide guarantee for the original Copeninca&rsquo s senior notes before it becomes due in 2017. The solicitation commenced on   9:00 p.m., Singapore time, on 17 July 2014 and will end on 5:00 a.m., Singapore time, on 30 July 2014 unless extended. Lets watch   if the original Copeninca&rsquo s senior notes holder will agree... |
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stockpicker
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18-Jul-2014 11:33
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In the first 4 months of 2014,  the sale of fishmeal was good but  the April sale was not good..after that the catch was low  due to El-Nino effect..  so it may affect CF' s coming earning report.. Traditionally,  CF' s price will go up just before the earning report and will adjust when the report is announced. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Anchovy exports decrease in April(Posted time: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 )
Last April Peruvian fish exports generated USD 173.1 million in revenue, representing 17.5 per cent less than in the same month in 2013, when its value was USD 209.8 million.Meanwhile, the exported volume declined by 10.9 per cent, to 91,800 tonnes compared to 103,000 tonnes shipped a year earlier. These decreases were primarily due to lower sales of fishmeal and fish oil, the Ministry of Production (PRODUCE) reported. According to the latest Statistical Bulletin prepared by PRODUCE, in April 2014 42,500 tonnes of fishmeal were exported, representing 19.3 per cent less than in the same month last year (52,600 tonnes). With respect to the value, in the fourth month of this year fishmeal was exported for USD 63.3 million, 34.6 per cent less than in April 2013, when the figure reached USD 96.7 million. The main markets for Peruvian fishmeal were China, Germany, Chile and Japan. http://www.seafood.vasep.com.vn/Daily-News/378_9799/Anchovy-exports-decrease-in-April.htm |
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Isolator
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18-Jul-2014 10:32
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Fated one who heard my long.... Will be very thankful..... Enjoy... | ||||
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srichipan
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18-Jul-2014 10:26
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Shortist better cover now. | ||||
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T2LE56
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18-Jul-2014 10:08
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That aside regarding Isolator' s story. Those vested in BB certainly did not do so because Isolator cried long. Stockpicker, have you attended any of their meetings ? The attendees are savvy investors, unlike some meetings just for the sake of no.  We will see how the market digest the news. Enjoy
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Isolator
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18-Jul-2014 09:58
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Let the market tell you..... When is cheap no one want to buy... As usual many will rush to buy at higher price.... Watch it.... Enjoy... | ||||
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stockpicker
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18-Jul-2014 09:47
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He is a die hard supporter... CF should give him a bonus.. in the record,  he has been long since 2011 when CF was more than $1.20.. then when it fell below $1/=,  he shouted for CF to go to $5/=..Don' t pray pray,  he would be correct one day...
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T2LE56
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18-Jul-2014 07:40
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Srichipan, what is your take regarding this Solicitation ? What happen to Blanchard ? Did hear from him for a while .....
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Isolator
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18-Jul-2014 01:10
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My stand no change.... Long.... 70ct... | ||||
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srichipan
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18-Jul-2014 00:19
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Tmr can see 395/400 | ||||
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Stockguru17
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18-Jul-2014 00:09
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MAybe this time, isolator will say downtrend. LOL. |
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srichipan
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17-Jul-2014 23:39
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going uptrend liao. woohoo |
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