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earlybird14 Supreme	14-Jul-2014 09:54        earlybird14 About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Fake queue buy to attract more buyers at this level, more to down.
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danger Supreme	14-Jul-2014 09:47        danger About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	BIG BUY VOLUME COMING IN
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counter Veteran	14-Jul-2014 08:11        counter About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Fundamental   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	http://arborinvestmentplanner.com/be-fearful-when-others-are-greedy/ The above article is quite useful.
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counter Veteran	14-Jul-2014 08:07        counter About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Fundamental   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	This is a problem with charts as many who use them do not quite know how to interpret them. famouspinky      ( Date: 14-Jul-2014 08:03) Posted: No buy signals do not equal to treading down or up Kyoto2008      ( Date: 14-Jul-2014 00:14) Posted: The chart on NOL does not  show any  buy signals, and is negative territory for MACD and stochastic.    Past three days all show black candles moving down. I don' t see any buy signals at all.
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counter Veteran	14-Jul-2014 08:03        counter About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Fundamental   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	The best thing that happens to us is when a great company gets into temporary trouble... We want to buy them when they' re on the operating table. ~ Warren Buffett This is a quote from Warren Buffet that I like. I have benefited a great deal from it.
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famouspinky Supreme	14-Jul-2014 08:03        famouspinky About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	No buy signals do not equal to treading down or up Kyoto2008      ( Date: 14-Jul-2014 00:14) Posted: The chart on NOL does not  show any  buy signals, and is negative territory for MACD and stochastic.    Past three days all show black candles moving down. I don' t see any buy signals at all.  counter      ( Date: 13-Jul-2014 23:58) Posted: No buy signals! Are you sure?
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counter Veteran	14-Jul-2014 07:58        counter About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Fundamental   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Profit = Revenue - Costs Revenue = Price (Freight charges) x Quantity (Volume) Costs are falling due to costs saving measures. Revenue may also trend downward for a while depsite rising volume due to falling freight charges as a result of overcapacity. However, overcapacity will lead to a fall in capacity as it defers firms from expanding capacity. In time to come, the demand will outstrip the supply and thus freight charges will start rising and this is not a question of if but when.  This is  anybody' s guess. When freight charges rise simultaneously with volume, revenue will rise and this will result in a rise in profit, even if costs stop falling.
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Lucky03 Elite	14-Jul-2014 07:51        Lucky03 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Sounds exciting :) The shipping industry is at tipping point. There will be big wave of M&A and Winners will emerge and the market will be less fragmented. counter      ( Date: 14-Jul-2014 07:47) Posted: I have a few friends who have started picking up the shares of NOL. They all have done their homework and have quite deep pockets. As recently as last evening, another friend of mine who came to talk to me about selling $1.2m of high yield bonds and Reits to get into NOL. Lucky03      ( Date: 14-Jul-2014 07:37) Posted: Haven't had such show of confidence for a while :) Can feel quite lonely when one is not following the herds )
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Lucky03 Elite	14-Jul-2014 07:48        Lucky03 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Like soccer. Can't always just play defence. Will have to see if there will be any big guys to play attack ! Need to score goal - hitting above 0.965 to force the shortists to cover back ! Lucky03      ( Date: 14-Jul-2014 07:37) Posted: Haven't had such show of confidence for a while :) Can feel quite lonely when one is not following the herds ) counter      ( Date: 14-Jul-2014 07:28) Posted: You don' t see any any buy signals at all because you were looking at some useless charts. On 11/07/4014 (Friday), my two investment friends and I bought a total of over 1000 lots and the shortists were unable to push the price down to $0.93, although the did give it a try.
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counter Veteran	14-Jul-2014 07:47        counter About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Fundamental   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I have a few friends who have started picking up the shares of NOL. They all have done their homework and have quite deep pockets. As recently as last evening, another friend of mine who came to talk to me about selling $1.2m of high yield bonds and Reits to get into NOL. Lucky03      ( Date: 14-Jul-2014 07:37) Posted: Haven't had such show of confidence for a while :) Can feel quite lonely when one is not following the herds ) counter      ( Date: 14-Jul-2014 07:28) Posted: You don' t see any any buy signals at all because you were looking at some useless charts. On 11/07/4014 (Friday), my two investment friends and I bought a total of over 1000 lots and the shortists were unable to push the price down to $0.93, although the did give it a try.
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Lucky03 Elite	14-Jul-2014 07:37        Lucky03 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Haven't had such show of confidence for a while :) Can feel quite lonely when one is not following the herds ) counter      ( Date: 14-Jul-2014 07:28) Posted: You don' t see any any buy signals at all because you were looking at some useless charts. On 11/07/4014 (Friday), my two investment friends and I bought a total of over 1000 lots and the shortists were unable to push the price down to $0.93, although the did give it a try. Kyoto2008      ( Date: 14-Jul-2014 00:14) Posted: The chart on NOL does not  show any  buy signals, and is negative territory for MACD and stochastic.    Past three days all show black candles moving down. I don' t see any buy signals at all.
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Lucky03 Elite	14-Jul-2014 07:35        Lucky03 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Perhaps some were ex-NOL employees ? counter      ( Date: 14-Jul-2014 07:32) Posted: High employee benefits continued to be handed out! What is your basis of make this statement? Can provide provide the figures? I must admit that this is new to me. Thank you very much Kyoto2008      ( Date: 14-Jul-2014 00:18) Posted: The questions I posed relate to management of the company.    High employee benefits continued to be handed out even though the co fared badly, hasn' t paid a dividend for past few years, and risk management is in shreds. How can a  top co.  not hedge their FX risks?    And run bad debts on receivables and trade? Can a co turnaround if management is questionable?
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counter Veteran	14-Jul-2014 07:32        counter About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Fundamental   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	High employee benefits continued to be handed out! What is your basis of make this statement? Can provide provide the figures? I must admit that this is new to me. Thank you very much Kyoto2008      ( Date: 14-Jul-2014 00:18) Posted: The questions I posed relate to management of the company.    High employee benefits continued to be handed out even though the co fared badly, hasn' t paid a dividend for past few years, and risk management is in shreds. How can a  top co.  not hedge their FX risks?    And run bad debts on receivables and trade? Can a co turnaround if management is questionable?    Lucky03      ( Date: 13-Jul-2014 23:55) Posted: Not aware if NOL engaged any consultant. The point is that whatever NOL has been doing for the past 2.5 years are in line with what this veteran consultant is emphasizing on the new business model that the shipping industry must embrace.
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counter Veteran	14-Jul-2014 07:28        counter About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Fundamental   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	You don' t see any any buy signals at all because you were looking at some useless charts. On 11/07/4014 (Friday), my two investment friends and I bought a total of over 1000 lots and the shortists were unable to push the price down to $0.93, although the did give it a try. Kyoto2008      ( Date: 14-Jul-2014 00:14) Posted: The chart on NOL does not  show any  buy signals, and is negative territory for MACD and stochastic.    Past three days all show black candles moving down. I don' t see any buy signals at all.  counter      ( Date: 13-Jul-2014 23:58) Posted: No buy signals! Are you sure?
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jomini Veteran	14-Jul-2014 03:18        jomini About Contact  Quote this Post!   Yells: "slow down, think, question"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	in tt case u can either short or just stay out of it altogether. there r stuff out there with higher probability of higher returns Kyoto2008      ( Date: 14-Jul-2014 02:48) Posted: Not saying it' s going to fail, just that the phrase " too big to fail" was applied to Freddie Mac and Fannie May in the Lehman crisis.  What happened is history, the U.S.  government nationalised the two companies and shareholders lost all their monies.    Reason? They are too big to rescue.  And it happened in USA. Kyoto2008      ( Date: 14-Jul-2014 02:16) Posted: Shareholder value is the issue, a company' s share price that dropped from 1.30 since beginning of 2013, all the way down to today' s price without any sign of rising. Is it worth buying such a stock just coz it' s too big to fail?    Look at it another way, it' s too big to rescue without problems!
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Kyoto2008 Elite	14-Jul-2014 02:48        Kyoto2008 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Not saying it' s going to fail, just that the phrase " too big to fail" was applied to Freddie Mac and Fannie May in the Lehman crisis.  What happened is history, the U.S.  government nationalised the two companies and shareholders lost all their monies.    Reason? They are too big to rescue.  And it happened in USA. Kyoto2008      ( Date: 14-Jul-2014 02:16) Posted: Shareholder value is the issue, a company' s share price that dropped from 1.30 since beginning of 2013, all the way down to today' s price without any sign of rising. Is it worth buying such a stock just coz it' s too big to fail?    Look at it another way, it' s too big to rescue without problems! jomini      ( Date: 14-Jul-2014 01:17) Posted: its quite perverse. this is a too big to fail case. check out who the current n ex ceos r. nol really enjoys unlimited govt support
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Kyoto2008 Elite	14-Jul-2014 02:16        Kyoto2008 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Shareholder value is the issue, a company' s share price that dropped from 1.30 since beginning of 2013, all the way down to today' s price without any sign of rising. Is it worth buying such a stock just coz it' s too big to fail?    Look at it another way, it' s too big to rescue without problems! jomini      ( Date: 14-Jul-2014 01:17) Posted: its quite perverse. this is a too big to fail case. check out who the current n ex ceos r. nol really enjoys unlimited govt support Kyoto2008      ( Date: 14-Jul-2014 00:18) Posted: The questions I posed relate to management of the company.    High employee benefits continued to be handed out even though the co fared badly, hasn' t paid a dividend for past few years, and risk management is in shreds. How can a  top co.  not hedge their FX risks?    And run bad debts on receivables and trade? Can a co turnaround if management is questionable?
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jomini Veteran	14-Jul-2014 01:17        jomini About Contact  Quote this Post!   Yells: "slow down, think, question"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	its quite perverse. this is a too big to fail case. check out who the current n ex ceos r. nol really enjoys unlimited govt support Kyoto2008      ( Date: 14-Jul-2014 00:18) Posted: The questions I posed relate to management of the company.    High employee benefits continued to be handed out even though the co fared badly, hasn' t paid a dividend for past few years, and risk management is in shreds. How can a  top co.  not hedge their FX risks?    And run bad debts on receivables and trade? Can a co turnaround if management is questionable?    Lucky03      ( Date: 13-Jul-2014 23:55) Posted: Not aware if NOL engaged any consultant. The point is that whatever NOL has been doing for the past 2.5 years are in line with what this veteran consultant is emphasizing on the new business model that the shipping industry must embrace.
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Kyoto2008 Elite	14-Jul-2014 00:18        Kyoto2008 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	The questions I posed relate to management of the company.    High employee benefits continued to be handed out even though the co fared badly, hasn' t paid a dividend for past few years, and risk management is in shreds. How can a  top co.  not hedge their FX risks?    And run bad debts on receivables and trade? Can a co turnaround if management is questionable?    Lucky03      ( Date: 13-Jul-2014 23:55) Posted: Not aware if NOL engaged any consultant. The point is that whatever NOL has been doing for the past 2.5 years are in line with what this veteran consultant is emphasizing on the new business model that the shipping industry must embrace. Kyoto2008      ( Date: 13-Jul-2014 23:18) Posted: Not very clear on the point made.  Did they engage a consultant?
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Kyoto2008 Elite	14-Jul-2014 00:14        Kyoto2008 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	The chart on NOL does not  show any  buy signals, and is negative territory for MACD and stochastic.    Past three days all show black candles moving down. I don' t see any buy signals at all.  counter      ( Date: 13-Jul-2014 23:58) Posted: No buy signals! Are you sure? Kyoto2008      ( Date: 13-Jul-2014 20:00) Posted: Chart shows NOL is on downtrend, broken all supports.    Noticed that two dojis or more formed before any price reversals.    Currently, there are no buy signals. Taken a look at the financials, there is FX losses and non performing loans (on trade and receivables).  Admin costs are very high too, about 8% of sales, out of which 5% are employee benefits.    For swing traders, my humble opinion is to wait for the dojis or better a morning star to appear before jumping in.    Personally I wouldn' t buy for long term, this seems a loser.
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