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Wilmar - Watch for a Strong Rally to Come!
rayyeo
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 Alert Admin 		Look at the price now? 3.63

Can slap your cb mouth and hand liao?

MetalTrader      ( Date: 26-Nov-2013 00:40) Posted:

Companies earning profits, yet using term loans of up to  US2.065 Billion + Interests???
Do you see high dividend in this stock, how do you analyze what method of accounting is used for commodity?
After substracting  US2.065 Billion + Interests, what is the remaining profits left???


Wilmar Financial Data
According to Bloomberg, Current Price/Book      1.2476
26 Sep- Term Loan increased from US1.5 Billion    to US2.065 Billion + Interests
11 Jul- Term Loan of      US1.5 Billion     

(Within 2 months - Debts increased another US 565 Millions + Interests!!!)

What do you think Wilmar is worth?

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26-Nov-2013 07:01     
 
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 Alert Admin 		Wahahaha!!!!! What term loan mean for Wilmar? For a commodity company??? How Wilmar can make use for term loan

Example 1: term loan to buy sugar with 1 billion from open market package and sell. Term loan to buy sugar price from open market.

Packaged sugar price sell to consumer worth 1.4 billion - Sugar cost of sales may be 0.2 billion.

After whole transaction completion, Wilmar has 1.4 billion cash on hand minus the cost of sales left 1.2 billion, minus the term loan interest, 5%, 0.05billion left 1.15 billion, minus the return of term loan borrowing 0.1 billion.

After settle the term loan and everything, cash on hand is 0.1 billion. This is Wilmar profit.

All commodity stock has huge revenue with low profit margin due to commodity is selling in bulk and compulsory consumable item. Therefore, their current reliability is huge as per their huge revenue. So long as their current net asset value is positive, mean after 1 year, it will become cash.

Don't compare other industry with commodity industry. Why Wilmar is rising from low to 3.59 now. Is because majority investors are like me know the value of Wilmar.

Your kindergarten knowledge on investment only expose you are new and naive.

Go to study more and don't embarrassing yourselves here. I just can't stop myself laughing u for those wrong posting message in accounting and point Wilmar business sustainability.

We all know Robert kuok who is Malaysia richest man, second richest in south east Asia and his main fortune is from commodity, own Wilmar and he is 90+ years old and his family manage commodity business with more than 60 years experience in the market.

You as a newbie come here and post wrong accounting method and doubt about Wilmar business sustainability. Wahagahaha!!!!!!

MetalTrader      ( Date: 26-Nov-2013 00:40) Posted:

Companies earning profits, yet using term loans of up to  US2.065 Billion + Interests???
Do you see high dividend in this stock, how do you analyze what method of accounting is used for commodity?
After substracting  US2.065 Billion + Interests, what is the remaining profits left???


Wilmar Financial Data
According to Bloomberg, Current Price/Book      1.2476
26 Sep- Term Loan increased from US1.5 Billion    to US2.065 Billion + Interests
11 Jul- Term Loan of      US1.5 Billion     

(Within 2 months - Debts increased another US 565 Millions + Interests!!!)

What do you think Wilmar is worth?

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 Alert Admin 		Copy & paste from Wikipedia???!!!! This is your understand of term loan to Wilmar. Wahahahaha!!!!!!

MetalTrader      ( Date: 26-Nov-2013 00:36) Posted:

Term loans can be given on an individual basis but are often used for  small business  loans. The ability to repay over a long period of time is attractive for new or expanding enterprises, as the assumption is that they will increase their  profit  over time. Term loans are a good way of quickly increasing  capital  in order to raise a business? supply capabilities or range. For instance, some new companies may use a term loan to buy company vehicles or rent more space for their operations.

Also, consider whether the term loan you are looking at uses  compound interest. If it does, the amount of interest will be periodically added to the  principal  borrowed amount, meaning that the interest keeps getting higher the longer the term lasts. If the loan does use compound interest, check to see if there are any penalties for early repayment of the loan. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Term_loan

ynnek1267      ( Date: 26-Nov-2013 00:30) Posted:

Aiya. You don't understand what is term
Loan right.

Read here again lah. Can't understand ah. Nobody can help u loh, because you are kindergarten level. Wahahahaga!!!
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 Alert Admin 		Companies earning profits, yet using term loans of up to  US2.065 Billion + Interests???
Do you see high dividend in this stock, how do you analyze what method of accounting is used for commodity?
After substracting  US2.065 Billion + Interests, what is the remaining profits left???


Wilmar Financial Data
According to Bloomberg, Current Price/Book      1.2476
26 Sep- Term Loan increased from US1.5 Billion    to US2.065 Billion + Interests
11 Jul- Term Loan of      US1.5 Billion     

(Within 2 months - Debts increased another US 565 Millions + Interests!!!)

What do you think Wilmar is worth?
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 Alert Admin 		Term loans can be given on an individual basis but are often used for  small business  loans. The ability to repay over a long period of time is attractive for new or expanding enterprises, as the assumption is that they will increase their  profit  over time. Term loans are a good way of quickly increasing  capital  in order to raise a business? supply capabilities or range. For instance, some new companies may use a term loan to buy company vehicles or rent more space for their operations.

Also, consider whether the term loan you are looking at uses  compound interest. If it does, the amount of interest will be periodically added to the  principal  borrowed amount, meaning that the interest keeps getting higher the longer the term lasts. If the loan does use compound interest, check to see if there are any penalties for early repayment of the loan. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Term_loan

ynnek1267      ( Date: 26-Nov-2013 00:30) Posted:

Aiya. You don't understand what is term
Loan right.

Read here again lah. Can't understand ah. Nobody can help u loh, because you are kindergarten level. Wahahahaga!!!!

ynnek1267      ( Date: 20-Nov-2013 09:39) Posted:



Wahahahahahahhah!!!!!!!!!!!!! You seem like don't know about financial balance sheet and don't know the business model of a commodity stock but making so much noise. Wahahahahaa

PE is the lower the better is.

Wilmar has yearly revenue of 45 Billion

yearly profit of 1.3Billion

Current liability of 25 Billion and current asset of 27billion, their net current asset is 2billion.  These current liability has to settle within a year. Therefore, after settle a year 2 billion gross profit is  expected roughly (of course have to minus interest, finance expense and etc lah.) To wilmar commodity  company and simplify it, current asset, current liability and net current asset is those borrowing of  purchasing of   raw material and consumable item  and the money they are going to receive for their product like oil, sugar, flour, soybean meal and etc

Non current liability of 5 billion and non current asset of 13 billion. To wilmar, this is those bank borrowing for plants, facilities, factory and the actual asset they have for those running the business

2.065 Biillion of term loan is kacang to Wilmar. Term loan may be for some other purpose which we kacang shareholder will never know. Just mid of this year, Wilmar purchased 1 month future sugar stock from open market at 16 dollar per ton. Let's say these 2.065 billion term loan is used to purchase the 16 dollar per ton sugar.  Recently, sugar shoot up to 19 dollar per ton If management decide to sell back to open sugar market instead of packaging it and sell to downstream customer like us. Wilmar has direct profit of 15% of these 2.065billion. 15% profit minus administration fee and term loan interest and return the term loan amount back to bank. The amount of profit is huge. So the term loan 2 billion to Wilmar is nothing. With strong balance sheet that Wilmar has, a lot of bank is willing to borrow the money to term with low interest due to low risk of default!!!

When other china soybean crusher lose money in soybean crushing in 2012 till don't dare to take the good arrived in port. Wilmar management manage to buy the soy bean at right time and breakeven their soy bean crush division has proven that they have the strongest and experience team who know how to evaluate the market and purchase the raw material at right timing to maximise the profit. Soybean is good example in last year. Sugar purchased in 2013 is another good example.

This is how Wilmar perform. They are one of the best commodity sotck company and maintain continually growth in capacity at bad time only the low  price of the product drag down the revenue. In last 2 years, when market is bad, product price is low and share price drop, wilmar manage to bring up capacity. What happen in next 2 years, product price rising, with the grown capacity, the revenue will grow tremendously.

What happen now is we see the price of CPO grow from RM 2200 to 2600, just for the palm oil and processing division, we can expect a rough 10% revenue growth in 2014 if CPO price maitnain 2500 and above and this is the average price analyst give to the market!!!

 
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 Alert Admin 		Aiya. You don't understand what is term
Loan right.

Read here again lah. Can't understand ah. Nobody can help u loh, because you are kindergarten level. Wahahahaga!!!!

ynnek1267      ( Date: 20-Nov-2013 09:39) Posted:



Wahahahahahahhah!!!!!!!!!!!!! You seem like don't know about financial balance sheet and don't know the business model of a commodity stock but making so much noise. Wahahahahaa

PE is the lower the better is.

Wilmar has yearly revenue of 45 Billion

yearly profit of 1.3Billion

Current liability of 25 Billion and current asset of 27billion, their net current asset is 2billion.  These current liability has to settle within a year. Therefore, after settle a year 2 billion gross profit is  expected roughly (of course have to minus interest, finance expense and etc lah.) To wilmar commodity  company and simplify it, current asset, current liability and net current asset is those borrowing of  purchasing of   raw material and consumable item  and the money they are going to receive for their product like oil, sugar, flour, soybean meal and etc

Non current liability of 5 billion and non current asset of 13 billion. To wilmar, this is those bank borrowing for plants, facilities, factory and the actual asset they have for those running the business

2.065 Biillion of term loan is kacang to Wilmar. Term loan may be for some other purpose which we kacang shareholder will never know. Just mid of this year, Wilmar purchased 1 month future sugar stock from open market at 16 dollar per ton. Let's say these 2.065 billion term loan is used to purchase the 16 dollar per ton sugar.  Recently, sugar shoot up to 19 dollar per ton If management decide to sell back to open sugar market instead of packaging it and sell to downstream customer like us. Wilmar has direct profit of 15% of these 2.065billion. 15% profit minus administration fee and term loan interest and return the term loan amount back to bank. The amount of profit is huge. So the term loan 2 billion to Wilmar is nothing. With strong balance sheet that Wilmar has, a lot of bank is willing to borrow the money to term with low interest due to low risk of default!!!

When other china soybean crusher lose money in soybean crushing in 2012 till don't dare to take the good arrived in port. Wilmar management manage to buy the soy bean at right time and breakeven their soy bean crush division has proven that they have the strongest and experience team who know how to evaluate the market and purchase the raw material at right timing to maximise the profit. Soybean is good example in last year. Sugar purchased in 2013 is another good example.

This is how Wilmar perform. They are one of the best commodity sotck company and maintain continually growth in capacity at bad time only the low  price of the product drag down the revenue. In last 2 years, when market is bad, product price is low and share price drop, wilmar manage to bring up capacity. What happen in next 2 years, product price rising, with the grown capacity, the revenue will grow tremendously.

What happen now is we see the price of CPO grow from RM 2200 to 2600, just for the palm oil and processing division, we can expect a rough 10% revenue growth in 2014 if CPO price maitnain 2500 and above and this is the average price analyst give to the market!!!

 

MetalTrader      ( Date: 19-Nov-2013 23:47) Posted:

Wilmar: Syndicated Term Loan Facility Upsized From US$1.5 Billion To US$2.065 Billion. (DEBTS)
If PE is so high, why will there be such a high rate of DEBTS?

PE as indicator, or DEBTS? (To argue financial strength)
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Wilmar Financial Data

According to Bloomberg, Current Price/Book    1.2476
26 Sep- Term Loan increased from US1.5 Billion  to US2.065 Billion + Interests
11 Jul- Term Loan of    US1.5 Billion   

(Within 2 months - Debts increased another US 565 Millions + Interests!!!)

What do you think Wilmar is worth?


rayyeo      ( Date: 26-Nov-2013 00:24) Posted:

DIAM LAR!!!!!!

MetalTrader      ( Date: 26-Nov-2013 00:16) Posted:

Wilmar Financial Data

According to Bloomberg, Current Price/Book  1.2476
26 Sep- Term Loan increased from US1.5 Billion to US2.065 Billion + Interests
11 Jul- Term Loan of  US1.5 Billion 

(Within 2 months - Debts increased another US 565 Millions + Interests!!!)

What do you think Wilmar is worth?



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MetalTrader      ( Date: 26-Nov-2013 00:16) Posted:

Wilmar Financial Data

According to Bloomberg, Current Price/Book  1.2476
26 Sep- Term Loan increased from US1.5 Billion to US2.065 Billion + Interests
11 Jul- Term Loan of  US1.5 Billion 

(Within 2 months - Debts increased another US 565 Millions + Interests!!!)

What do you think Wilmar is worth?



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 Alert Admin 		Wilmar Financial Data

According to Bloomberg, Current Price/Book  1.2476
26 Sep- Term Loan increased from US1.5 Billion to US2.065 Billion + Interests
11 Jul- Term Loan of  US1.5 Billion 

(Within 2 months - Debts increased another US 565 Millions + Interests!!!)

What do you think Wilmar is worth?



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 Alert Admin 		Wahahaha!!!!!! Where are your several falling. Newbie prediction = weather forecast, anyhow say

MetalTrader      ( Date: 25-Nov-2013 23:58) Posted:

Battle of Prediction (Wilmar)
19 Nov Afternoon- Market was at $3.63. I boldy predicted Wilmar will fall below $3.63, from this speculative price, in which shareholders only bought at $3, and anything above $3.15 is a speculative amount. Market closed at        $3.62. [I warned that market momentum moving well far $3, and into speculative price of $3.15. The market is bound to suffer a major drop in weeks to come despite naive people insisted on uptrend]       
20 Nov- Market fall to          $3.52.        (The first fall and significant losses of $0.11)       
On 20 Nov closing:  I predicted that there will be        several downfalls beneath $3.52.        The downfall will continue with a bigger drop awaiting.       
21 Nov-  Market fall to        $3.48
22 Nov-  Market rises to        $3.55
23 & 24 Nov- I  foresee several  tornadoes  below the " current speculated price" , & dark clouds awaiting.
                              The downtrend is gathering significant speculated buyers, before it move downwards significantly.
25 Nov-  Market closed  $3.59     I   saw a very high risk at current level. 


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vincente      ( Date: 26-Nov-2013 00:03) Posted:

make himself a laughing stock.

ynnek1267      ( Date: 25-Nov-2013 21:03) Posted:

Wah, metaltrader "weather forecast" say got typhoon woh. Wahahaha!!!
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vincente      ( Date: 26-Nov-2013 00:01) Posted:



See..my observation  abt you  are all spot on.Foreign trash.  Yr other nick metal trader is a distractor now become a useless clown.You thought you can cause panic in wilmar so that you can make a gain in olam.Fat hope.Yr web of deception will never  work.

Everyone vested with wilmar  all laughing at yr stupidity postings and foolish analysis.  .You are nothing but a faggot(nick also so sissy).Some more do cosplay as admitted by yrself. Cant imagine you must have broken wrists as well...Eeeeeeeeeeeee

Go back to yr own country and study.You are not welcome here.You are robbing  singaporean a place in the University.Criticize singaporean somemore,I will report you to MOE/MOM and have your study pass withdrawn and also banished you from coming to our country,..

Rosesyrup      ( Date: 25-Nov-2013 20:26) Posted:



Lol

Since when did I claim to own any other account? You want to bring out all your other nicks?  wiseguy, terminator4ever....etc

What foreign trash? Serve NS big deal? You are not the only guy here who served NS, don't troll here please. The fact that you push  blame to foreigners just shown your lack of understand for local economic...don't know how you do your analysis. No wonder you invested in Yongnam.

Indeed your comment without basis, even financial analysis, is worth 2 cents only.

 
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ynnek1267      ( Date: 25-Nov-2013 21:03) Posted:

Wah, metaltrader "weather forecast" say got typhoon woh. Wahahaha!!!!

MetalTrader      ( Date: 25-Nov-2013 20:03) Posted:

To date, Wilmar is at height of speculation. Risk remains very high!
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See..my observation  abt you  are all spot on.Foreign trash.  Yr other nick metal trader is a distractor now become a useless clown.You thought you can cause panic in wilmar so that you can make a gain in olam.Fat hope.Yr web of deception will never  work.

Everyone vested with wilmar  all laughing at yr stupidity postings and foolish analysis.  .You are nothing but a faggot(nick also so sissy).Some more do cosplay as admitted by yrself. Cant imagine you must have broken wrists as well...Eeeeeeeeeeeee

Go back to yr own country and study.You are not welcome here.You are robbing  singaporean a place in the University.Criticize singaporean somemore,I will report you to MOE/MOM and have your study pass withdrawn and also banished you from coming to our country,..

Rosesyrup      ( Date: 25-Nov-2013 20:26) Posted:



Lol

Since when did I claim to own any other account? You want to bring out all your other nicks?  wiseguy, terminator4ever....etc

What foreign trash? Serve NS big deal? You are not the only guy here who served NS, don't troll here please. The fact that you push  blame to foreigners just shown your lack of understand for local economic...don't know how you do your analysis. No wonder you invested in Yongnam.

Indeed your comment without basis, even financial analysis, is worth 2 cents only.

 

vincente      ( Date: 25-Nov-2013 09:01) Posted:



Yo....not all malaysians are bad amd not all singaporeans are good.

Confirm Rose syrop and metal trader are the same person.Notice they like to troll/spam their postings either with the same  message or pictures
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Battle of Prediction (Wilmar)
19 Nov Afternoon- Market was at $3.63. I boldy predicted Wilmar will fall below $3.63, from this speculative price, in which shareholders only bought at $3, and anything above $3.15 is a speculative amount. Market closed at        $3.62. [I warned that market momentum moving well far $3, and into speculative price of $3.15. The market is bound to suffer a major drop in weeks to come despite naive people insisted on uptrend]       
20 Nov- Market fall to          $3.52.        (The first fall and significant losses of $0.11)       
On 20 Nov closing:  I predicted that there will be        several downfalls beneath $3.52.        The downfall will continue with a bigger drop awaiting.       
21 Nov-  Market fall to        $3.48
22 Nov-  Market rises to        $3.55
23 & 24 Nov- I  foresee several  tornadoes  below the " current speculated price" , & dark clouds awaiting.
                              The downtrend is gathering significant speculated buyers, before it move downwards significantly.
25 Nov-  Market closed  $3.59     I   saw a very high risk at current level. 

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Rosesyrup      ( Date: 25-Nov-2013 22:50) Posted:



Lol I see already Vincente, you are one who created multiple account  followed my post and thumb down me. I feel flattered.

Just want to let you know, I  feel good insulting hypocrite like  you :).

Please continue to thumbs down me, nevermind about me.

All your accounts that I have identified so far:
  1. Vincente,
  2. Hugolee,
  3. Terminator4ever
  4. gfmkim


 

vincente      ( Date: 25-Nov-2013 09:01) Posted:



Yo....not all malaysians are bad amd not all singaporeans are good.

Confirm Rose syrop and metal trader are the same person.Notice they like to troll/spam their postings either with the same  message or pictures
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 Alert Admin 		I hereby against all odd, challenge my challengers.
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I am PredictorX :)
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Rosesyrup      ( Date: 25-Nov-2013 20:26) Posted:



Lol

Since when did I claim to own any other account? You want to bring out all your other nicks?  wiseguy, terminator4ever....etc

What foreign trash? Serve NS big deal? You are not the only guy here who served NS, don't troll here please. The fact that you push  blame to foreigners just shown your lack of understand for local economic...don't know how you do your analysis. No wonder you invested in Yongnam.

Indeed your comment without basis, even financial analysis, is worth 2 cents only.

 

vincente      ( Date: 25-Nov-2013 09:01) Posted:



Yo....not all malaysians are bad amd not all singaporeans are good.

Confirm Rose syrop and metal trader are the same person.Notice they like to troll/spam their postings either with the same  message or pictures
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Lol I see already Vincente, you are one who created multiple account  followed my post and thumb down me. I feel flattered.

Just want to let you know, I  feel good insulting hypocrite like  you :).

Please continue to thumbs down me, nevermind about me.

All your accounts that I have identified so far:
  1. Vincente,
  2. Hugolee,
  3. Terminator4ever
  4. gfmkim


 

vincente      ( Date: 25-Nov-2013 09:01) Posted:



Yo....not all malaysians are bad amd not all singaporeans are good.

Confirm Rose syrop and metal trader are the same person.Notice they like to troll/spam their postings either with the same  message or pictures.

trading4living      ( Date: 24-Nov-2013 20:37) Posted:



Hey bro. I am malaysian too. I bought wilmar at around sgd 3.15.
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MetalTrader      ( Date: 25-Nov-2013 20:03) Posted:

To date, Wilmar is at height of speculation. Risk remains very high!
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