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EZ3626
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29-Oct-2013 16:10     
 
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Relax bro, take it ez. You are a ball of nerves. Remember Temasek is behind Olam nothing going to happen maybe some shaking. Relax I am not the shortist. I hear and watch the BB. 

Nobody said you are wLong. I know but definitely shortists are not letting opportunity slip by. They are traders remember. 

  Relax and the game play on ..... 5 Nov 2013

 

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29-Oct-2013 15:37     
 
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Doesn't matter either way, cause your claims still problematic.
  1. If your definition is narrow. Then meaningless, because firm is not limited to raise money through public offering.
  2. If your definition  is board, go find out how much Olam has borrowed from various world organizations.
  3. When Olam issues bonds to raise cash, MW claimed that Olam's action reinforced its belief that Olam is near bankruptcy.
  4. Assuming  you are right that Olam did not raise cash for the past 1 year, then it shows that Olam admit MW is right.
  5.   So no matter Olam raise money or not, MW is always right?


 

It seems to me either your argument is flawed or you are really simply sprouting nonsense.

Rosesyrup      ( Date: 29-Oct-2013 15:13) Posted:



 

Your raise cash definition is narrow (as in through public offering only) or board (include borrowing from bank)?

EZ3626      ( Date: 29-Oct-2013 15:07) Posted:



Yes, you are not wLong and the shortists also correct. But of course they won't say when they will do it. I watcher. Do you realise that every now and then .... you all like to quote Temasek. 

During this 1 year they dare not raise money ... you know why ??? if they do ... They are admitting MW is correct. I also hope they don't raise money .. we " retail" investors most frighten is raise cash. Pray hard it doesn't happen. 

You are not wLong and shortists also correct. Just wait and see .... I am sure Olam management is more kancheong than all of you.
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Your raise cash definition is narrow (as in through public offering only) or board (include borrowing from bank)?

EZ3626      ( Date: 29-Oct-2013 15:07) Posted:



Yes, you are not wLong and the shortists also correct. But of course they won't say when they will do it. I watcher. Do you realise that every now and then .... you all like to quote Temasek. 

During this 1 year they dare not raise money ... you know why ??? if they do ... They are admitting MW is correct. I also hope they don't raise money .. we " retail" investors most frighten is raise cash. Pray hard it doesn't happen. 

You are not wLong and shortists also correct. Just wait and see .... I am sure Olam management is more kancheong than all of you.
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Yes, you are not wLong and the shortists also correct. But of course they won't say when they will do it. I watcher. Do you realise that every now and then .... you all like to quote Temasek. 

During this 1 year they dare not raise money ... you know why ??? if they do ... They are admitting MW is correct. I also hope they don't raise money .. we " retail" investors most frighten is raise cash. Pray hard it doesn't happen. 

You are not wLong and shortists also correct. Just wait and see .... I am sure Olam management is more kancheong than all of you.
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29-Oct-2013 14:27     
 
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I'm agreeable with Rosesyrup's posting. We shouldn't be spreading rumours without facts to substantiate it. Based on Olam's FY13's report, the performance is slightly lower than FY12's report, but the share price is much lower compare  to  1 year back. Based on the facts which was audited by accredited auditor, the current price looks very attractive based on the few facts below:

The share price is the same as the NAV, Olam is profitable, paying dividend of 4 cents, and has Temasek's backing. Even if BB decides to short Olam, the share price will bounce back due to it's fundamental which has not changed since 1 year back. The only concern is the gearing which Olam is driving to push it down. Since it is still profitable (EPS of 14.36 cents), it has fundamental to stay or go above it's current price. This is based on FACTS.

  FY2013 FY2012
Cashflow 735 587
NAV $1.54 $1.45
EPS 14.36 14.96
Profit after Tax 362.6mil 370.9mil
Gearing 1.93 1.81
Dividend 0.04 0.04
  Oct-13 Oct-12
Share price 1.54 1.97
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29-Oct-2013 14:19     
 
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Bro, I am not ... it is open book .. you can go to Muddy Water and receive the article dated 2 Sept 2013. I'm sure you can search for him.

When you are with friends especially traders they talk, bro. I consider myself a beginner also kanna by shortists but I am not angry with them cos they leverage on such info and they are good. 

The last time, I have told you, the source ... Nextinsight ... haven't   I.   Olam so far has nothing to tell about their achievement, they are basically consolidating their ground. They may have to issue right to create more reserve if they want to thrust forward.

Roostertan said it very nicely, .... " Sad to say that it is the lack of good management team and poor judgement foresight in extreme M& A that caused their debts to balloon. Wisely to say, whether it is in equities or business investments, always invest with a limit with reasonable cap borrowings."

Funds got burned up very fast .... not sure how ??? Management team has to overhaul ... 



Please not asking to sell but be careful as you have mentioned anniversary coming and Olam is shakey nothing to prove or show to the world at this moment. Let's watch and hear their reporting.

If you have good reports please share .... so we can get excited and jump in the band wagon. Just be watchful we are 7 days away from XD date. 

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29-Oct-2013 13:57     
 
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Friend, you can ignore the thumb up/down system. I too  received many thumbs down, but I don't care.  I am  here to share and get info to earn money not to earn thumb up/down.

I am currently in the money and I don't mind exiting if what you said were true. But the problem here is you keep posting something that cannot be substantiated.
  1. You started off with some exaggerated claim that Olam overhauled management team. In fact only 2 directors stepped down. I mean seriously....
  2. Now you claimed that you heard from grapevine  shortists want to short this counter, but never tell where your grapevine extended from. Grapevine from your 10k net worth colleague and  billion net worth friends can be very different. We can't assess the strength of your claims don't even mention verify.
  3.   Best of all, you  mentioned MW's comment which was made months ago " OLAM not changing old way" .


Negativity aside, I don't understand why you always choose to post some " news" that cannot be verified, I mean what's the point? And whenever I tried to verify your 'news' you never failed to  escape with  the answer 'your money you decide....mymoney...'. Come on,  I am just trying to verify things, how can I possible decide on where you use your money.  Your tendency to  avoid giving direct answer  is a mystery that I have yet to solve.    If you really think olam is really that bad, why don't you just short it and let us know  your TP and analysis? Don't you think it's more healthy to share objective analysis here rather than some rumor?

 

Anyway the only reason I still stay in this stock is that I am eye the big pie of $3.20. Now shortists you are welcome to thumb down me :)

EZ3626      ( Date: 29-Oct-2013 08:39) Posted:



This BB is still vunerable. I heard through the grapevine, the shortists are going to hoot this BB ..... they said this BB is going to be under attacked again.  As I have mentioned, too risky to enter (speaking for myself) ... shall watch and see as the day draws near.   

Also, Muddy Water has posted some comments ... he is at it again. Agreed with roostertan it is their poor management.  Hope the management is vigilant ....

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29-Oct-2013 10:08     
 
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Handongni, 

I have a question, if you long this stock or passionate about it, ask yourself why no one is blogging about anything good happening to this stock. It is so quiet. Hope people don't buy because the name is nice .. Olam. You have the power to post good reports about Olam .... apparently not. 

Not forgetting during the recent run up in all the commodity counters, sad to say Olam fair poorly. 

Is there any wonder why shortists are getting ready to hoot big time ..... Let's not hope every times Temasek is there to bail the BB out. Crazy !!!  

handongni      ( Date: 29-Oct-2013 09:24) Posted:

Member EZ3626 has an Enemy  in ShareJunction because almost all your posts was thumbs down :-(

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Haha really. I understand, for the shortists they are being exposed while those who long think that I pour cold water. This is rightly so and for a minority who agreed they are not here cause they know. 

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Handongni, not everyone who sound the alarm has an enemy in ShareJunction. Like I said I regret not listening to the many alerts in this forum before. Just like you, I see them as " enemies" just watch and see .... what if it is true the shortists are at it. What if you are not prepared for right issue, warrant or whatever ....   ???

They even said Temasek going to buy over Olam which I think cannot be .... Temasek don't want to carry a baby, ..... INVEST. Why would they want to run the company.

My money I decide Your money you decide ..... Ultimately be cautious 

 
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This BB is still vunerable. I heard through the grapevine, the shortists are going to hoot this BB ..... they said this BB is going to be under attacked again.  As I have mentioned, too risky to enter (speaking for myself) ... shall watch and see as the day draws near.   

Also, Muddy Water has posted some comments ... he is at it again. Agreed with roostertan it is their poor management.  Hope the management is vigilant ....
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 Alert Admin 		Have also vested Olam in 2007 when it hits the high and still holding it.   Olam is indeed a profitable company and there is no doubts about it.   Sad to say   that it is the lack of good management team and poor judgement foresight in extreme M& A that caused their debts to balloon.   Wisely to say, whether it is in equities or business investments, always invest with a limit with reasonable cap borrowings.   Hopefully, it can trend higher in the near term.   Otherwise, all shareholders will be disappointed, even they does pay dividends.

EZ3626      ( Date: 26-Oct-2013 09:07) Posted:



Bro, you said who are those " people" ... You can read all about it in Nextinsight by Moneywater and others. I always take it with a pinch of salts. I made mistakes also by saying it can't be when there are people who sing another tune. Just do your diligence ... ultimately market will have the final say. However, we must do our homwwork. 

Can you name some achievement that Olam has and is to come. The date is drawing very near ... you maybe right too. How certain is your take ... maybe you like to share so we can be enriched. Cheers 


EZ3626      ( Date: 26-Oct-2013 01:12) Posted:

Nextinsight " Olam is still on the downtrend. The market is expecting Olam to anounce an equity issue (either share or rights placement)at a significant discount to the current price." by Moneywater ... could be Moneyplant's bro. You can ask him, Money water.

Bro, everyone entitles to make their comments, but it up to you to make the judgment call .... isn't it. Take it ez 

Did you dump a lot of money into this stock ? Some people wrote, " My money I decide. Your money you decide." called himself GorgeousOng

Personally I think it can happen, what is their financial report ? Can they turn it around ? Any significant earnings so far ? A lot of debts maybe, ... if not for Temasek already " Wanton noodle" still can offer such good dividends

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Bro, you said who are those " people" ... You can read all about it in Nextinsight by Moneywater and others. I always take it with a pinch of salts. I made mistakes also by saying it can't be when there are people who sing another tune. Just do your diligence ... ultimately market will have the final say. However, we must do our homwwork. 

Can you name some achievement that Olam has and is to come. The date is drawing very near ... you maybe right too. How certain is your take ... maybe you like to share so we can be enriched. Cheers 


EZ3626      ( Date: 26-Oct-2013 01:12) Posted:

Nextinsight " Olam is still on the downtrend. The market is expecting Olam to anounce an equity issue (either share or rights placement)at a significant discount to the current price." by Moneywater ... could be Moneyplant's bro. You can ask him, Money water.

Bro, everyone entitles to make their comments, but it up to you to make the judgment call .... isn't it. Take it ez 

Did you dump a lot of money into this stock ? Some people wrote, " My money I decide. Your money you decide." called himself GorgeousOng

Personally I think it can happen, what is their financial report ? Can they turn it around ? Any significant earnings so far ? A lot of debts maybe, ... if not for Temasek already " Wanton noodle" still can offer such good dividends

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26-Oct-2013 01:34     
 
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Rosesyrup      ( Date: 26-Oct-2013 01:30) Posted:



Ok, fair enough. So you based your opinion on Muddy Water's call. Don't get me wrong, we  have no interest  in where your money goes. 
Nevertheless it is basic responsibility  that you support your  claims with basis so that we can assess the strength  of  a particular argument. Your money is your money, ours is still ours.


True I did invest some in Olam but not a huge portion of my portfolio. I am only interested to assure everyone here  is sharing " right" information not some fairy tales.   

So yep take it easy. So long as you have basis for your claims, we welcome your view. No need to get so protective when we try to get a more complete picture.

 

EZ3626      ( Date: 26-Oct-2013 01:12) Posted:

Nextinsight " Olam is still on the downtrend. The market is expecting Olam to anounce an equity issue (either share or rights placement)at a significant discount to the current price." by Moneywater ... could be Moneyplant's bro. You can ask him, Money water.

Bro, everyone entitles to make their comments, but it up to you to make the judgment call .... isn't it. Take it ez 

Did you dump a lot of money into this stock ? Some people wrote, " My money I decide. Your money you decide." called himself GorgeousOng

Personally I think it can happen, what is their financial report ? Can they turn it around ? Any significant earnings so far ? A lot of debts maybe, ... if not for Temasek already " Wanton noodle" still can offer such good dividends

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Ok, fair enough. So you based your opinion on Muddy Water's call. Don't get me wrong, we  have no interest  in where your money goes. 
Nevertheless it is basic responsibility  that you support your  claims with basis so that we can assess the strength  of  a particular argument. Your money is your money, ours is still ours.


True I did invest some in Olam but not a huge portion of my portfolio. I am only interested to assure everyone here  is sharing " right" information not some fairy tales.   

So yep take it easy. So long as you have basis for your claims, we welcome your view. No need to get so protective when we try to get a more complete picture.

 

EZ3626      ( Date: 26-Oct-2013 01:12) Posted:

Nextinsight " Olam is still on the downtrend. The market is expecting Olam to anounce an equity issue (either share or rights placement)at a significant discount to the current price." by Moneywater ... could be Moneyplant's bro. You can ask him, Money water.

Bro, everyone entitles to make their comments, but it up to you to make the judgment call .... isn't it. Take it ez 

Did you dump a lot of money into this stock ? Some people wrote, " My money I decide. Your money you decide." called himself GorgeousOng

Personally I think it can happen, what is their financial report ? Can they turn it around ? Any significant earnings so far ? A lot of debts maybe, ... if not for Temasek already " Wanton noodle" still can offer such good dividends

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Nextinsight " Olam is still on the downtrend. The market is expecting Olam to anounce an equity issue (either share or rights placement)at a significant discount to the current price." by Moneywater ... could be Moneyplant's bro. You can ask him, Money water.

Bro, everyone entitles to make their comments, but it up to you to make the judgment call .... isn't it. Take it ez 

Did you dump a lot of money into this stock ? Some people wrote, " My money I decide. Your money you decide." called himself GorgeousOng

Personally I think it can happen, what is their financial report ? Can they turn it around ? Any significant earnings so far ? A lot of debts maybe, ... if not for Temasek already " Wanton noodle" still can offer such good dividends

天 下 没 有 免 费 的 午 餐

 

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Why don't you tell us who are those " PEOPLE" saying OLAM  is going to raise cash, and we will  exercise our own judgment from thereon? 

Failure to identify those " People" and we shall take it as you making up stories.



EZ3626      ( Date: 25-Oct-2013 17:47) Posted:

There are people saying that they are likely to raise cash .... believe or not is up to you. Put a bit of honey and you will be trapped to pay more $$$ 

EZ3626      ( Date: 22-Oct-2013 23:56) Posted:



Take it that Olam did not go after MW and I am a bit skeptical about the generous dividend at $0.04. Those that hold through may end up in big shit when they announce any fund raising exercise. I hope I am wrong but if the BB is turning around why need to drastically overhaul the management team. Don't be surprise Mr Verghese may be out. This few days movement the financial institutions are not buying in as compared to other counters. This is just my thoughts .... take care

Bear in mind ED is on the 5 November .... 


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 Alert Admin 		There are people saying that they are likely to raise cash .... believe or not is up to you. Put a bit of honey and you will be trapped to pay more $$$ 

EZ3626      ( Date: 22-Oct-2013 23:56) Posted:



Take it that Olam did not go after MW and I am a bit skeptical about the generous dividend at $0.04. Those that hold through may end up in big shit when they announce any fund raising exercise. I hope I am wrong but if the BB is turning around why need to drastically overhaul the management team. Don't be surprise Mr Verghese may be out. This few days movement the financial institutions are not buying in as compared to other counters. This is just my thoughts .... take care

Bear in mind ED is on the 5 November .... 

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