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simpleguy123 Elite	05-Apr-2024 09:05        simpleguy123 About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	He's now sitting on $90,000 in nett profit. BUT if he biys back at any price above $33.31/share, the difference will eat into this $90k nett profit. He could buy after XB, but even then he has to ensure the price is below $30/share due to the enlarged share base. MoneyMarketRulez      ( Date: 04-Apr-2024 17:13) Posted: Bad decision. But your $$ your call. I would have only sold portion, only if I really need to. Will encourage you not to track DBS price since you sold. You will 💔 backdoorbandit      ( Date: 04-Apr-2024 13:55) Posted: sold at 36.31 for a 3SGD per share profit, money in the pocket is what i want...witht 30000 shares I could not stomach the uncertainty of the drop
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royeko Member	04-Apr-2024 18:07        royeko About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I vested also but don' t have the guts to do this in view of the rare CB event. But CB (22 Apr) still far away. I have a feeling the price may drop by as high as 1.50 for brave dupes like u to buy back before climbing back up for the CB. backdoorbandit      ( Date: 04-Apr-2024 13:55) Posted: sold at 36.31 for a 3SGD per share profit, money in the pocket is what i want...witht 30000 shares I could not stomach the uncertainty of the drop
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MoneyMarketRulez Member	04-Apr-2024 17:13        MoneyMarketRulez About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Bad decision. But your $$ your call. I would have only sold portion, only if I really need to. Will encourage you not to track DBS price since you sold. You will 💔 backdoorbandit      ( Date: 04-Apr-2024 13:55) Posted: sold at 36.31 for a 3SGD per share profit, money in the pocket is what i want...witht 30000 shares I could not stomach the uncertainty of the drop
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MoneyMarketRulez Member	04-Apr-2024 17:06        MoneyMarketRulez About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	This time round is a Bonus share insurance, NOT share split. Important to differentiate, there is a differences to price implication. Share split has a negative impact to price after XD. BinderyT      ( Date: 04-Apr-2024 15:35) Posted: lol .... congrats :) You may have made a wise move.   The last time I held through a split (Yangzijiang), I got screwed big time.   Hope it doesn' t happen with DBS. backdoorbandit      ( Date: 04-Apr-2024 13:55) Posted: sold at 36.31 for a 3SGD per share profit, money in the pocket is what i want...witht 30000 shares I could not stomach the uncertainty of the drop
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BinderyT Elite	04-Apr-2024 15:35        BinderyT About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 1  Alert Admin	lol .... congrats :) You may have made a wise move.   The last time I held through a split (Yangzijiang), I got screwed big time.   Hope it doesn' t happen with DBS. backdoorbandit      ( Date: 04-Apr-2024 13:55) Posted: sold at 36.31 for a 3SGD per share profit, money in the pocket is what i want...witht 30000 shares I could not stomach the uncertainty of the drop
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pkli899 Supreme	04-Apr-2024 14:52        pkli899 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Thank you, simpleguy123. Yes, do what u r most comfortable with. Many ways to make $$.  So long its not evil way.  不 义 之 财 不 可 贪
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pkli899 Supreme	04-Apr-2024 14:48        pkli899 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Congrats.....90k before cost, in the pocket.  backdoorbandit      ( Date: 04-Apr-2024 13:55) Posted: sold at 36.31 for a 3SGD per share profit, money in the pocket is what i want...witht 30000 shares I could not stomach the uncertainty of the drop
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simpleguy123 Elite	04-Apr-2024 14:19        simpleguy123 About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 1   x 0  Alert Admin	I understood what you meant Pkli :). Actually at the end of the day i say this to everyone, not everyone is a trader, like how not everyone is a buy and hold long kind of person. Also the same with shorting. Everyone should respect each others choices to buy and hold, trade with volatility, short with conviction, etc. If a person changes their thinking its best that they do it via their own choices. I believe the traders in this chat mean well and have our best interest bro Pkli, but like yourself i know where i stand with this organization 😉 . pkli899      ( Date: 04-Apr-2024 11:28) Posted: Thank your MrBear12. I totally understand u. Yes, trading, doing it right, brings in $ faster. That is why the term passive income for those going for dividends alone. I stopped trading because I guilty conscience. I do not gamble, not even 4D, Toto, etc. Trading is sort of gambling to me. To let me sleep better, I decided to give up.
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backdoorbandit Member	04-Apr-2024 13:55        backdoorbandit About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	sold at 36.31 for a 3SGD per share profit, money in the pocket is what i want...witht 30000 shares I could not stomach the uncertainty of the drop
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hokpin Supreme	04-Apr-2024 12:43        hokpin About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Thx for the good sharing, Bro! Echoes      ( Date: 04-Apr-2024 09:38) Posted: For long term holders , the share price appreciation far outweighted the dividens . In one of the presentation slides during last week' s AGM , DBS annualised total shareholders ( capital aprreciation plus dividens ) returns was 14% over the past 10 years ( UOB and OCBC at around 10% to 11% ) . The NAV increases by around $1.50 to $2 every year , and given that its share price is trading at around 1.4 to 1.5 price to book, the share price appreciates by around $2 to $3 per year , over the past 10 years . Its past 10 years dividen yield is around 4% to 5% average based on my estimation .  So based on my estimation , share price appreciation contributes 8% to 9% whereas dividen contributes around 5% annually to make up the 14% . So if we maintain the formula of $1.50 to $2 NAV yearly increment and a P/BV of 1.5 , its share price should increase by $2 to $3 per year over the long term , barring any unforseen black swan events .   simpleguy123      ( Date: 04-Apr-2024 07:39) Posted: This is probably for traders and profit takers, dosen' t really apply to long term holders only eyeing the dividend
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pkli899 Supreme	04-Apr-2024 11:28        pkli899 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Thank your MrBear12. I totally understand u. Yes, trading, doing it right, brings in $ faster. That is why the term passive income for those going for dividends alone. I stopped trading because I guilty conscience. I do not gamble, not even 4D, Toto, etc. Trading is sort of gambling to me. To let me sleep better, I decided to give up.
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MrBear12 Supreme	04-Apr-2024 11:17        MrBear12 About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood: Yells: "Cast all our anxieties on Jesus for He cares for us"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	For long term holders like yourself, consider trading as hedging. Hedging is usually done through options and futures that can be over complex. So a simple way is to sell and buy. This helps to generate an efficient market where the price of a security reflects its true value through liquidity. Our returns are also slightly increased as we get more frequent income from profits compared to dividends. Invest with trading pkli899      ( Date: 04-Apr-2024 10:38) Posted: Yes, long term holders, as what simpleguy123 said, would have done our DD. In fact, I have been trading DBS for a very long time before I switched to holding long term. Trading DBS was profitable. Thanks to its volatility, at times, can made me 5 figures per trade. I study its price trend, dividend history, PE, ROE, etc, over a long period and concluded that DBS is worth the while to hold for passive income. Of course it is not the only good stock to hold. Must diversify la, just in case CEO leave & the one take over lousy. Never say never! One thing I noted after studying its price trend, was that, price always peak in Feb (this year exception, in Mar). May will always see its lowest. Hence, very likely 36.63 is the peak for this year. However, the overall up trend is still intact. If everything goes well, 40 or 50 is not far fetch. But I no longer go for capital gain. So, its bonus to me. Having said, we still cannot take thing for granted. It will take only a short time for one mediocre CEO to bring down the company (just here in SGX, we already have many examples). Therefore, long term holders also must be alert and run once we know something is not right.
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pkli899 Supreme	04-Apr-2024 11:15        pkli899 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Ya, me also understand traders view. Me was one mah. Totally different stand point. To each its own.
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MrBear12 Supreme	04-Apr-2024 10:48        MrBear12 About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood: Yells: "Cast all our anxieties on Jesus for He cares for us"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Understand the long term view. But long term is too impractical for many a trader. We need to survive day to day. So we trade with target prices and volatility. And DBS price is volatile compared to other banks. So here we are Trade with volatility but consider long term
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pkli899 Supreme	04-Apr-2024 10:38        pkli899 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 1   x 0  Alert Admin	Yes, long term holders, as what simpleguy123 said, would have done our DD. In fact, I have been trading DBS for a very long time before I switched to holding long term. Trading DBS was profitable. Thanks to its volatility, at times, can made me 5 figures per trade. I study its price trend, dividend history, PE, ROE, etc, over a long period and concluded that DBS is worth the while to hold for passive income. Of course it is not the only good stock to hold. Must diversify la, just in case CEO leave & the one take over lousy. Never say never! One thing I noted after studying its price trend, was that, price always peak in Feb (this year exception, in Mar). May will always see its lowest. Hence, very likely 36.63 is the peak for this year. However, the overall up trend is still intact. If everything goes well, 40 or 50 is not far fetch. But I no longer go for capital gain. So, its bonus to me. Having said, we still cannot take thing for granted. It will take only a short time for one mediocre CEO to bring down the company (just here in SGX, we already have many examples). Therefore, long term holders also must be alert and run once we know something is not right.
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Sin_Cos_Tan Veteran	04-Apr-2024 10:26        Sin_Cos_Tan About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Just borrow your (simpleguy123) posting to respond MrBear12     MrBear12 Senior 04-Apr-2024 09:01               MrBear12    About    Contact    Quote this Post!  Style:  Fundamental      Mood:  Yells:  " Bears are apex predators"   共 识 目 标 价 :  $37.05 要 等 到 明 年 ？ 当 心 买 卖 ， 免 受 骗 ！ simpleguy123      ( Date: 04-Apr-2024 09:51) Posted: Yup done it already. I know what we are doing. I dunno know whats ahead (black swans, etc). But based on what i know through research, and experience in this industry, i'm vested with where they are going. Sin_Cos_Tan      ( Date: 04-Apr-2024 09:33) Posted: PDYOD
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MrBear12 Supreme	04-Apr-2024 10:00        MrBear12 About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood: Yells: "Cast all our anxieties on Jesus for He cares for us"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Including all events, dbs is expected to grow on average 6 percent per annum over the long term. Incidently, dbs was closer to a dollar in the nineteen sixties and now it is closer to 40. So we can work out the long term rate of return over two generations. Trade with Calculation by DYODD Echoes      ( Date: 04-Apr-2024 09:38) Posted: For long term holders , the share price appreciation far outweighted the dividens . In one of the presentation slides during last week' s AGM , DBS annualised total shareholders ( capital aprreciation plus dividens ) returns was 14% over the past 10 years ( UOB and OCBC at around 10% to 11% ) . The NAV increases by around $1.50 to $2 every year , and given that its share price is trading at around 1.4 to 1.5 price to book, the share price appreciates by around $2 to $3 per year , over the past 10 years . Its past 10 years dividen yield is around 4% to 5% average based on my estimation .  So based on my estimation , share price appreciation contributes 8% to 9% whereas dividen contributes around 5% annually to make up the 14% . So if we maintain the formula of $1.50 to $2 NAV yearly increment and a P/BV of 1.5 , its share price should increase by $2 to $3 per year over the long term , barring any unforseen black swan events .   simpleguy123      ( Date: 04-Apr-2024 07:39) Posted: This is probably for traders and profit takers, dosen' t really apply to long term holders only eyeing the dividend
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simpleguy123 Elite	04-Apr-2024 09:51        simpleguy123 About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 1   x 0  Alert Admin	Yup done it already. I know what we are doing. I dunno know whats ahead (black swans, etc). But based on what i know through research, and experience in this industry, i'm vested with where they are going. Sin_Cos_Tan      ( Date: 04-Apr-2024 09:33) Posted: PDYODD simpleguy123      ( Date: 04-Apr-2024 07:39) Posted: This is probably for traders and profit takers, dosen' t really apply to long term holders only eyeing the dividend
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Echoes Senior	04-Apr-2024 09:38        Echoes About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	For long term holders , the share price appreciation far outweighted the dividens . In one of the presentation slides during last week' s AGM , DBS annualised total shareholders ( capital aprreciation plus dividens ) returns was 14% over the past 10 years ( UOB and OCBC at around 10% to 11% ) . The NAV increases by around $1.50 to $2 every year , and given that its share price is trading at around 1.4 to 1.5 price to book, the share price appreciates by around $2 to $3 per year , over the past 10 years . Its past 10 years dividen yield is around 4% to 5% average based on my estimation .  So based on my estimation , share price appreciation contributes 8% to 9% whereas dividen contributes around 5% annually to make up the 14% . So if we maintain the formula of $1.50 to $2 NAV yearly increment and a P/BV of 1.5 , its share price should increase by $2 to $3 per year over the long term , barring any unforseen black swan events .   simpleguy123      ( Date: 04-Apr-2024 07:39) Posted: This is probably for traders and profit takers, dosen' t really apply to long term holders only eyeing the dividends latentalent      ( Date: 04-Apr-2024 00:08) Posted: For DBS, it usually reaches its peak when its PB ratio is about 1.6. Since its NAV is $23.14, it should reach its peak at about $37. Based on the price action for the past few days, it seems like $36.63 is the resistance. It has not gone any higher (lower highs) and its volume has dropped a lot. In order to break above $36.63, we should see a big increase in volume. Its future earnings would not be as big as its NIM is going to drop especially after Fed rate cuts. May want to sell by today as after XD, it should drop by more than 54 cents.
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Sin_Cos_Tan Veteran	04-Apr-2024 09:33        Sin_Cos_Tan About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	PDYODD simpleguy123      ( Date: 04-Apr-2024 07:39) Posted: This is probably for traders and profit takers, dosen' t really apply to long term holders only eyeing the dividends latentalent      ( Date: 04-Apr-2024 00:08) Posted: For DBS, it usually reaches its peak when its PB ratio is about 1.6. Since its NAV is $23.14, it should reach its peak at about $37. Based on the price action for the past few days, it seems like $36.63 is the resistance. It has not gone any higher (lower highs) and its volume has dropped a lot. In order to break above $36.63, we should see a big increase in volume. Its future earnings would not be as big as its NIM is going to drop especially after Fed rate cuts. May want to sell by today as after XD, it should drop by more than 54 cents.
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