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 Alert Admin 		If merger proceeds, KC shareholders will likely get free money from the estimated $500m and free KOM/SCM shares..

As in 2020' s SCI/SCM demerge if I get the free shares, I intend to sell them away

 

Chagataii      ( Date: 02-Mar-2022 14:05) Posted:

Ya ya after merger SURE ask for RI again this time suck in Kep Corp shareholders also.

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 Alert Admin 		Ya ya after merger SURE ask for RI again this time suck in Kep Corp shareholders also.
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At anytime, both SM and Keppel Corp can be suspended. It is unlikely on last day of this month. anytime now... haha



MANFREDTMK      ( Date: 02-Mar-2022 13:58) Posted:

The time for these shortists to cover back is very limited if the merger deal can be finalized by this month. The outcome of a short squeeze needs no elaboration

better      ( Date: 02-Mar-2022 12:06) Posted:

The main reason that this baby is not trading at much higher is because some Wall Street shark is holding a 1-2 billion shares short position via borrowed scripts from bvrokers/ bank trust service.


For example, if a fund manager or institution bought SCM shares, their shares scripts will be deposited with the brokers or bank trust service, who could lend the scripts out with a fee to proprietary traders from Goldman Sach and JP Morgan to sell.  Just like SPH shares which were heavily shorted previously, these proprietary traders or hedge funds or whoiever, will have to return the borrowed scripts by buying from the open market.


There is significant support for SCM. Excluding Temasek, minority shareholders contributed about $600 to SCM' s coffer in the recent rights issue. These SCM supporters, some with very deep pockets as well, are just bidding their time to attack the Shortist when the news flow turn sharply positive. Short covering rallies are the most spectacular
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 Alert Admin 		The time for these shortists to cover back is very limited if the merger deal can be finalized by this month. The outcome of a short squeeze needs no elaboration

better      ( Date: 02-Mar-2022 12:06) Posted:

The main reason that this baby is not trading at much higher is because some Wall Street shark is holding a 1-2 billion shares short position via borrowed scripts from bvrokers/ bank trust service.


For example, if a fund manager or institution bought SCM shares, their shares scripts will be deposited with the brokers or bank trust service, who could lend the scripts out with a fee to proprietary traders from Goldman Sach and JP Morgan to sell.  Just like SPH shares which were heavily shorted previously, these proprietary traders or hedge funds or whoiever, will have to return the borrowed scripts by buying from the open market.


There is significant support for SCM. Excluding Temasek, minority shareholders contributed about $600 to SCM' s coffer in the recent rights issue. These SCM supporters, some with very deep pockets as well, are just bidding their time to attack the Shortist when the news flow turn sharply positive. Short covering rallies are the most spectacular.

PHInsider63      ( Date: 02-Mar-2022 09:32) Posted:

The three possibilities why SM is not moving are:

1. Pending contract announcement
2. BB has not collected enough
3. Flushing is still in the process

Else, the price movement remains a modern day unsolved mystery.


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 Alert Admin 		Yes, this month is going to be interesting.

dcproperty      ( Date: 02-Mar-2022 13:24) Posted:

That' s right. Anyway the scheduled merging is this month. Both SM and KOM affirmed that in their meetings. Only left with few days for short sellers to react. lol



better      ( Date: 02-Mar-2022 12:06) Posted:

The main reason that this baby is not trading at much higher is because some Wall Street shark is holding a 1-2 billion shares short position via borrowed scripts from bvrokers/ bank trust service.


For example, if a fund manager or institution bought SCM shares, their shares scripts will be deposited with the brokers or bank trust service, who could lend the scripts out with a fee to proprietary traders from Goldman Sach and JP Morgan to sell.  Just like SPH shares which were heavily shorted previously, these proprietary traders or hedge funds or whoiever, will have to return the borrowed scripts by buying from the open market.


There is significant support for SCM. Excluding Temasek, minority shareholders contributed about $600 to SCM' s coffer in the recent rights issue. These SCM supporters, some with very deep pockets as well, are just bidding their time to attack the Shortist when the news flow turn sharply positive. Short covering rallies are the most spectacular
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02-Mar-2022 13:24     
 
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That' s right. Anyway the scheduled merging is this month. Both SM and KOM affirmed that in their meetings. Only left with few days for short sellers to react. lol



better      ( Date: 02-Mar-2022 12:06) Posted:

The main reason that this baby is not trading at much higher is because some Wall Street shark is holding a 1-2 billion shares short position via borrowed scripts from bvrokers/ bank trust service.


For example, if a fund manager or institution bought SCM shares, their shares scripts will be deposited with the brokers or bank trust service, who could lend the scripts out with a fee to proprietary traders from Goldman Sach and JP Morgan to sell.  Just like SPH shares which were heavily shorted previously, these proprietary traders or hedge funds or whoiever, will have to return the borrowed scripts by buying from the open market.


There is significant support for SCM. Excluding Temasek, minority shareholders contributed about $600 to SCM' s coffer in the recent rights issue. These SCM supporters, some with very deep pockets as well, are just bidding their time to attack the Shortist when the news flow turn sharply positive. Short covering rallies are the most spectacular.

PHInsider63      ( Date: 02-Mar-2022 09:32) Posted:

The three possibilities why SM is not moving are:

1. Pending contract announcement
2. BB has not collected enough
3. Flushing is still in the process

Else, the price movement remains a modern day unsolved mystery.


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02-Mar-2022 13:11     
 
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 Alert Admin 		As usual, you show your wisdom and discernment, weekaykeeyes

weekaykee      ( Date: 02-Mar-2022 12:58) Posted:

Most of the SCM supporters here are delusional. Imagining too much.
No BB or entity with billions would waste their time over SCM. They would have made tons of money in other stocks while waiting for the fairy tales spun by the delusioned lot here to materialise, which they never will.   
 

naoshingo      ( Date: 02-Mar-2022 12:40) Posted:

Hmm..but why would Wall Street wants to play a lousy company like SM in Singapore?

There are much more worthwhile company to play for wall street....Hmmm.
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02-Mar-2022 13:09     
 
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 Alert Admin 		Good question.

Do you believe such a ridiculous story that wall street sharks are interested in punting on a $0.08 penny stock in Singapore, half way around the world?  To double the ridicule, these wall street sharks got to borrow from banks to punt on 1billion shares at $0.08?

Totally hilarious
 

naoshingo      ( Date: 02-Mar-2022 12:40) Posted:

Hmm..but why would Wall Street wants to play a lousy company like SM in Singapore?

There are much more worthwhile company to play for wall street....Hmmm..

better      ( Date: 02-Mar-2022 12:06) Posted:

The main reason that this baby is not trading at much higher is because some Wall Street shark is holding a 1-2 billion shares short position via borrowed scripts from bvrokers/ bank trust service.


For example, if a fund manager or institution bought SCM shares, their shares scripts will be deposited with the brokers or bank trust service, who could lend the scripts out with a fee to proprietary traders from Goldman Sach and JP Morgan to sell.  Just like SPH shares which were heavily shorted previously, these proprietary traders or hedge funds or whoiever, will have to return the borrowed scripts by buying from the open market.


There is significant support for SCM. Excluding Temasek, minority shareholders contributed about $600 to SCM' s coffer in the recent rights issue. These SCM supporters, some with very deep pockets as well, are just bidding their time to attack the Shortist when the news flow turn sharply positive. Short covering rallies are the most spectacular
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02-Mar-2022 13:04     
 
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 Alert Admin 		He is knowledgeable.
Let s give credit wheee it is due.

weekaykee      ( Date: 02-Mar-2022 12:59) Posted:

Sounds like bots responding to each other.

PHInsider63      ( Date: 02-Mar-2022 12:38) Posted:

Thanks a lot.
This answers the mystery.
I have actually been observing your postings from sidelines for a long while.
I am impressed by your profound industry knowledge. What you posted do carry some weight in this thread.

If SJ does give away some award, I will nominate you.


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 Alert Admin 		Sounds like bots responding to each other.

PHInsider63      ( Date: 02-Mar-2022 12:38) Posted:

Thanks a lot.
This answers the mystery.
I have actually been observing your postings from sidelines for a long while.
I am impressed by your profound industry knowledge. What you posted do carry some weight in this thread.

If SJ does give away some award, I will nominate you.

better      ( Date: 02-Mar-2022 12:06) Posted:

The main reason that this baby is not trading at much higher is because some Wall Street shark is holding a 1-2 billion shares short position via borrowed scripts from bvrokers/ bank trust service.


For example, if a fund manager or institution bought SCM shares, their shares scripts will be deposited with the brokers or bank trust service, who could lend the scripts out with a fee to proprietary traders from Goldman Sach and JP Morgan to sell.  Just like SPH shares which were heavily shorted previously, these proprietary traders or hedge funds or whoiever, will have to return the borrowed scripts by buying from the open market.


There is significant support for SCM. Excluding Temasek, minority shareholders contributed about $600 to SCM' s coffer in the recent rights issue. These SCM supporters, some with very deep pockets as well, are just bidding their time to attack the Shortist when the news flow turn sharply positive. Short covering rallies are the most spectacular
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 Alert Admin 		Most of the SCM supporters here are delusional. Imagining too much.
No BB or entity with billions would waste their time over SCM. They would have made tons of money in other stocks while waiting for the fairy tales spun by the delusioned lot here to materialise, which they never will.   
 

naoshingo      ( Date: 02-Mar-2022 12:40) Posted:

Hmm..but why would Wall Street wants to play a lousy company like SM in Singapore?

There are much more worthwhile company to play for wall street....Hmmm..

better      ( Date: 02-Mar-2022 12:06) Posted:

The main reason that this baby is not trading at much higher is because some Wall Street shark is holding a 1-2 billion shares short position via borrowed scripts from bvrokers/ bank trust service.


For example, if a fund manager or institution bought SCM shares, their shares scripts will be deposited with the brokers or bank trust service, who could lend the scripts out with a fee to proprietary traders from Goldman Sach and JP Morgan to sell.  Just like SPH shares which were heavily shorted previously, these proprietary traders or hedge funds or whoiever, will have to return the borrowed scripts by buying from the open market.


There is significant support for SCM. Excluding Temasek, minority shareholders contributed about $600 to SCM' s coffer in the recent rights issue. These SCM supporters, some with very deep pockets as well, are just bidding their time to attack the Shortist when the news flow turn sharply positive. Short covering rallies are the most spectacular
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 Alert Admin 		Hmm..but why would Wall Street wants to play a lousy company like SM in Singapore?

There are much more worthwhile company to play for wall street....Hmmm..

better      ( Date: 02-Mar-2022 12:06) Posted:

The main reason that this baby is not trading at much higher is because some Wall Street shark is holding a 1-2 billion shares short position via borrowed scripts from bvrokers/ bank trust service.


For example, if a fund manager or institution bought SCM shares, their shares scripts will be deposited with the brokers or bank trust service, who could lend the scripts out with a fee to proprietary traders from Goldman Sach and JP Morgan to sell.  Just like SPH shares which were heavily shorted previously, these proprietary traders or hedge funds or whoiever, will have to return the borrowed scripts by buying from the open market.


There is significant support for SCM. Excluding Temasek, minority shareholders contributed about $600 to SCM' s coffer in the recent rights issue. These SCM supporters, some with very deep pockets as well, are just bidding their time to attack the Shortist when the news flow turn sharply positive. Short covering rallies are the most spectacular.

PHInsider63      ( Date: 02-Mar-2022 09:32) Posted:

The three possibilities why SM is not moving are:

1. Pending contract announcement
2. BB has not collected enough
3. Flushing is still in the process

Else, the price movement remains a modern day unsolved mystery.


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 Alert Admin 		Thanks a lot.
This answers the mystery.
I have actually been observing your postings from sidelines for a long while.
I am impressed by your profound industry knowledge. What you posted do carry some weight in this thread.

If SJ does give away some award, I will nominate you.

better      ( Date: 02-Mar-2022 12:06) Posted:

The main reason that this baby is not trading at much higher is because some Wall Street shark is holding a 1-2 billion shares short position via borrowed scripts from bvrokers/ bank trust service.


For example, if a fund manager or institution bought SCM shares, their shares scripts will be deposited with the brokers or bank trust service, who could lend the scripts out with a fee to proprietary traders from Goldman Sach and JP Morgan to sell.  Just like SPH shares which were heavily shorted previously, these proprietary traders or hedge funds or whoiever, will have to return the borrowed scripts by buying from the open market.


There is significant support for SCM. Excluding Temasek, minority shareholders contributed about $600 to SCM' s coffer in the recent rights issue. These SCM supporters, some with very deep pockets as well, are just bidding their time to attack the Shortist when the news flow turn sharply positive. Short covering rallies are the most spectacular.

PHInsider63      ( Date: 02-Mar-2022 09:32) Posted:

The three possibilities why SM is not moving are:

1. Pending contract announcement
2. BB has not collected enough
3. Flushing is still in the process

Else, the price movement remains a modern day unsolved mystery.


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 Alert Admin 		The main reason that this baby is not trading at much higher is because some Wall Street shark is holding a 1-2 billion shares short position via borrowed scripts from bvrokers/ bank trust service.


For example, if a fund manager or institution bought SCM shares, their shares scripts will be deposited with the brokers or bank trust service, who could lend the scripts out with a fee to proprietary traders from Goldman Sach and JP Morgan to sell.  Just like SPH shares which were heavily shorted previously, these proprietary traders or hedge funds or whoiever, will have to return the borrowed scripts by buying from the open market.


There is significant support for SCM. Excluding Temasek, minority shareholders contributed about $600 to SCM' s coffer in the recent rights issue. These SCM supporters, some with very deep pockets as well, are just bidding their time to attack the Shortist when the news flow turn sharply positive. Short covering rallies are the most spectacular.

PHInsider63      ( Date: 02-Mar-2022 09:32) Posted:

The three possibilities why SM is not moving are:

1. Pending contract announcement
2. BB has not collected enough
3. Flushing is still in the process

Else, the price movement remains a modern day unsolved mystery.

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 Alert Admin 		thank both gentlemen for sharing. appreciating very much
 

better      ( Date: 02-Mar-2022 11:54) Posted:

Yup, thanks for filling in the details.  I benefited a little....bought SPH at $1.03 but sold it way too early.  smiley

dlim888      ( Date: 02-Mar-2022 11:25) Posted:

To explain as to why another Temasek consortion threw in another bid for SPH - against  Keppel  which Temasek also has a stake
The alternative bid has partnership companies controlled by OBS HPL holding 40% , while CapitaLand and Mapletree owning 30% each - Temasek in turn owns 52% Capitaland and the entirety of Mapletree. Temasek walked away from the $4.1b bid  to take partial control of Keppel  in 10 Aug 2020 and now owns only about 20% of Keppel - they dont have full control of Keppel at all . Further more SPH has alot of valuable property assets which they do not want Keppel to take over with just 20% stake. Yes Better is right - SM and Keppel OM merger  negotiation will largely be berween Keppel Management and Temasek/SM  as they have full control of S
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 Alert Admin 		i guess so too. if i own two companies one more than 50% and the other only 20%, logically, i would use the one with more than 50% as taking over vehicle. even if it is not a taking over deal, only merging, for controllability, i will use the one with i own more than 50% as a controlling company. quite obvious, temasek or kep might not in good terms. especially with sph' s saga. pure guessing. don' t quote me.
 
and i have to qualify. i don' t own any company. i was only in a senior position with my previous company. again i might be wrong.
 

better      ( Date: 02-Mar-2022 10:27) Posted:

Yes you are rigtht. That' s whyTemasek pulled out of the $4 billion dollars Keppel buyout at $7 awhile back.

So the Keppel OM and SCM merger is Temasek vs KC on the negotiating table.


 

pocketoppo      ( Date: 02-Mar-2022 10:23) Posted:

actually, i don' t quite understand. in sph deal, wasn' t kep and another consortium belong to Temasek? why need another consortium then. it might only show that Temasek wasn' t happy with kep?
if it is so, people keep saying kep is having the upper hand on sc-kep merging, is not valid then. that means sc will benefit from sc-kep merging deal. correct me if i am wrong. thank you
 


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 Alert Admin 		Yup, thanks for filling in the details.  I benefited a little....bought SPH at $1.03 but sold it way too early.  smiley

dlim888      ( Date: 02-Mar-2022 11:25) Posted:

To explain as to why another Temasek consortion threw in another bid for SPH - against  Keppel  which Temasek also has a stake
The alternative bid has partnership companies controlled by OBS HPL holding 40% , while CapitaLand and Mapletree owning 30% each - Temasek in turn owns 52% Capitaland and the entirety of Mapletree. Temasek walked away from the $4.1b bid  to take partial control of Keppel  in 10 Aug 2020 and now owns only about 20% of Keppel - they dont have full control of Keppel at all . Further more SPH has alot of valuable property assets which they do not want Keppel to take over with just 20% stake. Yes Better is right - SM and Keppel OM merger  negotiation will largely be berween Keppel Management and Temasek/SM  as they have full control of SM

pocketoppo      ( Date: 02-Mar-2022 10:23) Posted:

actually, i don' t quite understand. in sph deal, wasn' t kep and another consortium belong to Temasek? why need another consortium then. it might only show that Temasek wasn' t happy with kep?
if it is so, people keep saying kep is having the upper hand on sc-kep merging, is not valid then. that means sc will benefit from sc-kep merging deal. correct me if i am wrong. thank you
 


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 Alert Admin 		To explain as to why another Temasek consortion threw in another bid for SPH - against  Keppel  which Temasek also has a stake
The alternative bid has partnership companies controlled by OBS HPL holding 40% , while CapitaLand and Mapletree owning 30% each - Temasek in turn owns 52% Capitaland and the entirety of Mapletree. Temasek walked away from the $4.1b bid  to take partial control of Keppel  in 10 Aug 2020 and now owns only about 20% of Keppel - they dont have full control of Keppel at all . Further more SPH has alot of valuable property assets which they do not want Keppel to take over with just 20% stake. Yes Better is right - SM and Keppel OM merger  negotiation will largely be berween Keppel Management and Temasek/SM  as they have full control of SM

pocketoppo      ( Date: 02-Mar-2022 10:23) Posted:

actually, i don' t quite understand. in sph deal, wasn' t kep and another consortium belong to Temasek? why need another consortium then. it might only show that Temasek wasn' t happy with kep?
if it is so, people keep saying kep is having the upper hand on sc-kep merging, is not valid then. that means sc will benefit from sc-kep merging deal. correct me if i am wrong. thank you
 

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 Alert Admin 		good point.  I agree with you.

But for some weird reasons, some think Kep Corp needs SCM.

Let' s see how this pans out over the next few months

aspasp      ( Date: 02-Mar-2022 10:01) Posted:

Kep can survive without SCM but not the other way round

ckmpd1      ( Date: 02-Mar-2022 09:58) Posted:

Imagine SCM mgmt facing Loh Chin Hua and KOM mgmt discussing terms and conditions for merge
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