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03-Feb-2021 23:16     
 
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 Alert Admin 		I am definitely in to fight them. 70 million shares shorted today. Even though I do not have much capital, but.. 200k enough? Haha.

gregtan123      ( Date: 03-Feb-2021 23:13) Posted:

For those considering to buy and for those who want to fight the shorts. I got a suggestion. Don' t FOMO at pre-market and for the first 30-35 minutes. because we have limited funds. My suggestion is to buy in 3 batches. Say u want to buy 600,000. U vary the time. for example, 9.40am I buy UP 200,000 then 11.40am I buy up 200,000, then 2.40pm buy up 200,000. if say got 30 bros do this in thiis chat, we will out game the shorts for sure. but n hold strategy must tweak for limitless shorts. just some advice.
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03-Feb-2021 23:15     
 
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 Alert Admin 		This will be based on my own opinion.

Oceanus is way different from those hype stocks like GME, AMC and KOSS to name a few.

Back before Peter Koh joined Oceanus, the company was a mess. There was this huge debt with no earnings, and if you combined it with a bad management team, what does that give you? However, once CEO Peter Koh joined in Dec 2014, he managed to turned the company around with his plans and got Oceanus out of debt by 2017. What does that say about him?

Since 2018, the company has been going around and finding ways to improve their business and sales. This can be proven based on their revenue per year. From 4.2million in 2018 to 9.91million in 2019 to 32.3million to 2020Q3. Increasing by X00% per year.

While writing this post, I feel like I have explained way too many times and decide to stop here. If you do your own DD, you will see the ?potential? (have to use this word because I truly believe it have) that Oceanus has in the future.

Heres a link to UOBKayHian analyst report on Oceanus. A more detailed explanation. If not, you can head to Oceanus Facebook for the URL.

Link: https://research.uobkayhian.com/content_download.jsp?id=60580&h=231f45575568907aba1f840b104b621b

In summary,
- Increasing profits since 2018 by X00%
- No debt since 2017
- Former Minister Yaccob Ibrahim joined Oceanus in Sept 2020 (Why did he invest and join Oceanus? Probably he thinks the company has no potential for further growth thats why he join? Hmm..)
- Applying out of SGX watchlist in April
- Moving towards a Food Tech space
- Oceanus has 24 billion shares issued, this made them way less volatile to move compared to other penny stocks

As usual, those who wants to invest. Please do YOUR OWN DUE DILIGENCE before investing. For me, i trust in Oceanus because I trust in CEO Peter Koh and his management team. Thats all I would say. 😊





nqing87      ( Date: 03-Feb-2021 22:03) Posted:

My point is investors need to know on what basis they are investing.. those investors who just wanna take a punt to make quick bucks in gamestock got themselves burnt.. perhaps it is just something personal but it kinda just trigger me when ppl say the word potential or market disruptor cos very often we overestimate the potential for counters.. like for this case oceanus, market already basically thinking oceanus is gonna have a 60fold increase in earnings.. it may be possible, who knows.. but 60 times is not easy feat

Mk8080      ( Date: 03-Feb-2021 21:42) Posted:

Nqing78, Understand your concern for the community, look at SIA does P/E work on that counter? and let's use ifast per say its 100x over its P/E. And your concern for the ppl...how can we prevent that? There are 40% newbie in just 6 months alone and there's even a retail short squeeze by them which was never seen before(me included) if I were to put a P/E at least I think it would be after its Q4 announcement ba... fair?
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 Alert Admin 		walau after soooooooooooooo many years you still lurking here agh ??!! + posting machiam like Guru..........
Just for your Info ....when i lurking here 12 years ago you still a newbie  :(.... 


 

nqing87      ( Date: 03-Feb-2021 22:03) Posted:

My point is investors need to know on what basis they are investing.. those investors who just wanna take a punt to make quick bucks in gamestock got themselves burnt.. perhaps it is just something personal but it kinda just trigger me when ppl say the word potential or market disruptor cos very often we overestimate the potential for counters.. like for this case oceanus, market already basically thinking oceanus is gonna have a 60fold increase in earnings.. it may be possible, who knows.. but 60 times is not easy feat

Mk8080      ( Date: 03-Feb-2021 21:42) Posted:

Nqing78, Understand your concern for the community, look at SIA does P/E work on that counter? and let's use ifast per say its 100x over its P/E. And your concern for the ppl...how can we prevent that? There are 40% newbie in just 6 months alone and there's even a retail short squeeze by them which was never seen before(me included) if I were to put a P/E at least I think it would be after its Q4 announcement ba... fair?
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 Alert Admin 		For those considering to buy and for those who want to fight the shorts. I got a suggestion. Don' t FOMO at pre-market and for the first 30-35 minutes. because we have limited funds. My suggestion is to buy in 3 batches. Say u want to buy 600,000. U vary the time. for example, 9.40am I buy UP 200,000 then 11.40am I buy up 200,000, then 2.40pm buy up 200,000. if say got 30 bros do this in thiis chat, we will out game the shorts for sure. but n hold strategy must tweak for limitless shorts. just some advice.
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03-Feb-2021 23:00     
 
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 Alert Admin 		p/e? Too technical & too deep for me!
I only know we need more yakult for this counter. 🤣 😂
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03-Feb-2021 22:18     
 
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 Alert Admin 		Well my uncles and aunties in their 60s and 70s who doesnt even know what is p/e , earnings , cannot read financial sttms are buying into this stk after the white man join the company. White color branding is very powerful, esp among older generations
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03-Feb-2021 22:03     
 
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 Alert Admin 		My point is investors need to know on what basis they are investing.. those investors who just wanna take a punt to make quick bucks in gamestock got themselves burnt.. perhaps it is just something personal but it kinda just trigger me when ppl say the word potential or market disruptor cos very often we overestimate the potential for counters.. like for this case oceanus, market already basically thinking oceanus is gonna have a 60fold increase in earnings.. it may be possible, who knows.. but 60 times is not easy feat

Mk8080      ( Date: 03-Feb-2021 21:42) Posted:

Nqing78, Understand your concern for the community, look at SIA does P/E work on that counter? and let's use ifast per say its 100x over its P/E. And your concern for the ppl...how can we prevent that? There are 40% newbie in just 6 months alone and there's even a retail short squeeze by them which was never seen before(me included) if I were to put a P/E at least I think it would be after its Q4 announcement ba... fair?

brchkho1      ( Date: 03-Feb-2021 21:35) Posted:

Correct me if I am wrong. Current P/E is based on the past earning which may or may not be repeated. Future P/E is based on expectation or guessing on some business plans which may or may not materialize. As far as I am concern, the market prices are concensus of all players' interest and feeling about the company' s valuation at that moment. Similar to GME, when it was lowly priced, no one raise an eye brow till the hyde came in and the whole world started to jump in because of the greed of quick profit. Those who bought around 480 are hoping to hit 900, yet it' s now 90. The lesson is very simple, when you catch a hot potato in winter, once your hand is warm, pass to someone else, don' t get burn. Do watch out, someone may be pouring hot water instead of hot potato, still want to catch? 
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 Alert Admin 		Nqing78, Understand your concern for the community, look at SIA does P/E work on that counter? and let's use ifast per say its 100x over its P/E. And your concern for the ppl...how can we prevent that? There are 40% newbie in just 6 months alone and there's even a retail short squeeze by them which was never seen before(me included) if I were to put a P/E at least I think it would be after its Q4 announcement ba... fair?

brchkho1      ( Date: 03-Feb-2021 21:35) Posted:

Correct me if I am wrong. Current P/E is based on the past earning which may or may not be repeated. Future P/E is based on expectation or guessing on some business plans which may or may not materialize. As far as I am concern, the market prices are concensus of all players' interest and feeling about the company' s valuation at that moment. Similar to GME, when it was lowly priced, no one raise an eye brow till the hyde came in and the whole world started to jump in because of the greed of quick profit. Those who bought around 480 are hoping to hit 900, yet it' s now 90. The lesson is very simple, when you catch a hot potato in winter, once your hand is warm, pass to someone else, don' t get burn. Do watch out, someone may be pouring hot water instead of hot potato, still want to catch? 

nqing87      ( Date: 03-Feb-2021 21:03) Posted:

Maybe I should be more specific that we should be looking at future p/e (not current p/e for growth counters), ie what is the earnings we are expecting for this counter in the future, and then we derive our own fair value of it.. otherwise we are just investing blindl
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 Alert Admin 		For SIA, If I'm not wrong SIA had given some guidance on their future.. since SIA is able to give some guidance, I suspect the government has plans (and reveal to SIA) to open up some borders (maybe allow more transit etc) after we have enough ppl getting vaccinated.. but I doubt we will see SIA profitable until another say at least 3 years, since vaccination program across the world varies and the rich countries are hoarding the vaccines and the eagerness of countries to risk increasing covid cases by opening up economy, as well as mutations going on

Mk8080      ( Date: 03-Feb-2021 21:08) Posted:

Do share what u think the future P/E is? And what' s its worth? And what' s SIA P/E, quite keen to understand  

nqing87      ( Date: 03-Feb-2021 21:03) Posted:

Maybe I should be more specific that we should be looking at future p/e (not current p/e for growth counters), ie what is the earnings we are expecting for this counter in the future, and then we derive our own fair value of it.. otherwise we are just investing blindl
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 Alert Admin 		Correct me if I am wrong. Current P/E is based on the past earning which may or may not be repeated. Future P/E is based on expectation or guessing on some business plans which may or may not materialize. As far as I am concern, the market prices are concensus of all players' interest and feeling about the company' s valuation at that moment. Similar to GME, when it was lowly priced, no one raise an eye brow till the hyde came in and the whole world started to jump in because of the greed of quick profit. Those who bought around 480 are hoping to hit 900, yet it' s now 90. The lesson is very simple, when you catch a hot potato in winter, once your hand is warm, pass to someone else, don' t get burn. Do watch out, someone may be pouring hot water instead of hot potato, still want to catch? 

nqing87      ( Date: 03-Feb-2021 21:03) Posted:

Maybe I should be more specific that we should be looking at future p/e (not current p/e for growth counters), ie what is the earnings we are expecting for this counter in the future, and then we derive our own fair value of it.. otherwise we are just investing blindly

nqing87      ( Date: 03-Feb-2021 20:48) Posted:

Im not forcing my ideas but earnings is basically what we are looking for at the end of the day.. no counters can escape this in the long run.. eventually results have to meet expectations.. ppl invest in tesla and other so called potential growth counters due to their anticipation that they will grow big and be very profitable.. but ask those investors how much profits are they expecting them to earn years down the road, and many probably do not have any idea.. there are investors (or i would say traders) who have a sharp intuition of where funds would park their money or which counters will continue to go up with strong investor interest, and those are separate argument altogether since those ppl are basing on gut feel & riding on herd mentality of FOMO (luck to put it bluntly) or technical analysis.. but anyway, my point is one should invest base on at least some facts/figures.. what is the fair value price for oceanus?
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03-Feb-2021 21:33     
 
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 Alert Admin 		It is up to anyone guess.. as retail investors, we do not have info on what the future earnings might be.. even the business owners themselves dunno how much they gonna grow the business.. oceanus earnings last quarter is about rmb 2.5mil.. annualised it is about 700+ p/e at current price.. so basically if we target p/e of 10+ for most sgx counters, that means at current share price, we need oceanus earnings to grow 60+ times in the future.. i dunno if oceanus can grow that much as, so investors have to gauge whether they believe it to grow that much in the future.. as long as ppl know what they are seeing in terms of figures, that would be fine.. the problem i wish to highlight is ppl don't look at figures and just try to ride the market, get burnt in playing shares after musical chair ends, and then quit the market.. long term wise not good for the investing community..

Mk8080      ( Date: 03-Feb-2021 21:08) Posted:

Do share what u think the future P/E is? And what' s its worth? And what' s SIA P/E, quite keen to understand  

nqing87      ( Date: 03-Feb-2021 21:03) Posted:

Maybe I should be more specific that we should be looking at future p/e (not current p/e for growth counters), ie what is the earnings we are expecting for this counter in the future, and then we derive our own fair value of it.. otherwise we are just investing blindl
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 Alert Admin 		Do share what u think the future P/E is? And what' s its worth? And what' s SIA P/E, quite keen to understand  

nqing87      ( Date: 03-Feb-2021 21:03) Posted:

Maybe I should be more specific that we should be looking at future p/e (not current p/e for growth counters), ie what is the earnings we are expecting for this counter in the future, and then we derive our own fair value of it.. otherwise we are just investing blindly

nqing87      ( Date: 03-Feb-2021 20:48) Posted:

Im not forcing my ideas but earnings is basically what we are looking for at the end of the day.. no counters can escape this in the long run.. eventually results have to meet expectations.. ppl invest in tesla and other so called potential growth counters due to their anticipation that they will grow big and be very profitable.. but ask those investors how much profits are they expecting them to earn years down the road, and many probably do not have any idea.. there are investors (or i would say traders) who have a sharp intuition of where funds would park their money or which counters will continue to go up with strong investor interest, and those are separate argument altogether since those ppl are basing on gut feel & riding on herd mentality of FOMO (luck to put it bluntly) or technical analysis.. but anyway, my point is one should invest base on at least some facts/figures.. what is the fair value price for oceanus?
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 Alert Admin 		Maybe I should be more specific that we should be looking at future p/e (not current p/e for growth counters), ie what is the earnings we are expecting for this counter in the future, and then we derive our own fair value of it.. otherwise we are just investing blindly

nqing87      ( Date: 03-Feb-2021 20:48) Posted:

Im not forcing my ideas but earnings is basically what we are looking for at the end of the day.. no counters can escape this in the long run.. eventually results have to meet expectations.. ppl invest in tesla and other so called potential growth counters due to their anticipation that they will grow big and be very profitable.. but ask those investors how much profits are they expecting them to earn years down the road, and many probably do not have any idea.. there are investors (or i would say traders) who have a sharp intuition of where funds would park their money or which counters will continue to go up with strong investor interest, and those are separate argument altogether since those ppl are basing on gut feel & riding on herd mentality of FOMO (luck to put it bluntly) or technical analysis.. but anyway, my point is one should invest base on at least some facts/figures.. what is the fair value price for oceanus?

bicboi      ( Date: 03-Feb-2021 20:09) Posted:

using P/E ratio in 2021, fine give it to you but on a penny stock??? Its so sad that you are forcing your ideas about investing here, the best investors are the ones that are adaptable to the market and identify potential opportunities and not just use P/E ratio to say that a company is not worth investing
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 Alert Admin 		Im not forcing my ideas but earnings is basically what we are looking for at the end of the day.. no counters can escape this in the long run.. eventually results have to meet expectations.. ppl invest in tesla and other so called potential growth counters due to their anticipation that they will grow big and be very profitable.. but ask those investors how much profits are they expecting them to earn years down the road, and many probably do not have any idea.. there are investors (or i would say traders) who have a sharp intuition of where funds would park their money or which counters will continue to go up with strong investor interest, and those are separate argument altogether since those ppl are basing on gut feel & riding on herd mentality of FOMO (luck to put it bluntly) or technical analysis.. but anyway, my point is one should invest base on at least some facts/figures.. what is the fair value price for oceanus?

bicboi      ( Date: 03-Feb-2021 20:09) Posted:

using P/E ratio in 2021, fine give it to you but on a penny stock??? Its so sad that you are forcing your ideas about investing here, the best investors are the ones that are adaptable to the market and identify potential opportunities and not just use P/E ratio to say that a company is not worth investing.

nqing87      ( Date: 03-Feb-2021 19:08) Posted:

At the end of the day, p/e will still come into play.. it is dangerous to be justifying a counter using words like potential or market disruptor etc.. at the end of the day, what is important is the earnings that the company can give.. p/e is the most simple yet important parameter, but a lot of analysts like to put in many other complicated valuation methods to justify high tp.. what we should be interested in is how much money the company can make few years down the road after their growth become stable and less explosive, and this is a figure which no one can tell.
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 Alert Admin 		My take, is... yes nqing87 is correct abt P/E and that' s the basic and fundamental for a investor, but season investor are emotionally non-emotional when it comes to trading. Love no counter hate not counter and also will avoid micro penny counter, m i correct to say? Likely a resounding yes ba. However there are also a substantial opportunity cost / potential opportunities that retailer/investor look at, and all is well recorded that the returns are higher compare to well cap company with YOY good returns, but not at such a high return rates isn' t it? However having said that of course the down side for it is no known P/E for now and that why those invested in it has to be nibble and well inform when dealing with such counters... pls share if what i share was not correct, and enlighten me.  
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 Alert Admin 		using P/E ratio in 2021, fine give it to you but on a penny stock??? Its so sad that you are forcing your ideas about investing here, the best investors are the ones that are adaptable to the market and identify potential opportunities and not just use P/E ratio to say that a company is not worth investing.

nqing87      ( Date: 03-Feb-2021 19:08) Posted:

At the end of the day, p/e will still come into play.. it is dangerous to be justifying a counter using words like potential or market disruptor etc.. at the end of the day, what is important is the earnings that the company can give.. p/e is the most simple yet important parameter, but a lot of analysts like to put in many other complicated valuation methods to justify high tp.. what we should be interested in is how much money the company can make few years down the road after their growth become stable and less explosive, and this is a figure which no one can tell..

mondaybluesy      ( Date: 03-Feb-2021 12:27) Posted:

I would agree with you if this is an analysis for a mature company.  But Oceanus is at a growth / turnaround phase, pivoting as a pioneer of food technology.  PE ratio becomes a lot less relevant. 

This is also why we see many BBs still buying in at this price (and PE ratio).  They have teams of analysts deliberating their investments, and are still buying for they see future growth
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 Alert Admin 		So much shorted and yet only down 1 pip. Its x1.5 more than yesterday.

vw2796      ( Date: 03-Feb-2021 18:52) Posted: 

                       Short Sell Executed on February 3, 2021

Security               ShortSaleVolume     Curr     ShortSaleValue
Oceanus^               70000900            SGD      4622507

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 Alert Admin 		At the end of the day, p/e will still come into play.. it is dangerous to be justifying a counter using words like potential or market disruptor etc.. at the end of the day, what is important is the earnings that the company can give.. p/e is the most simple yet important parameter, but a lot of analysts like to put in many other complicated valuation methods to justify high tp.. what we should be interested in is how much money the company can make few years down the road after their growth become stable and less explosive, and this is a figure which no one can tell..

mondaybluesy      ( Date: 03-Feb-2021 12:27) Posted:

I would agree with you if this is an analysis for a mature company.  But Oceanus is at a growth / turnaround phase, pivoting as a pioneer of food technology.  PE ratio becomes a lot less relevant. 

This is also why we see many BBs still buying in at this price (and PE ratio).  They have teams of analysts deliberating their investments, and are still buying for they see future growth.

nqing87      ( Date: 03-Feb-2021 11:39) Posted:

At the current price, they will need their earnings to jump 60folds vs last quarter results, in order to bring down the p/e ratio to decent level to justify the price.. let's see the profit trend for next few quarter
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                       Short Sell Executed on February 3, 2021

Security               ShortSaleVolume     Curr     ShortSaleValue
Oceanus^               70000900            SGD      4622507
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 Alert Admin 		I see it as shortist inaction when once market open, and weak hands dump mid day also.... 

gregtan123      ( Date: 03-Feb-2021 16:50) Posted:

for fun nia, 500,000 at 6.5 mixed sell of BBs and retails. BB is CIMB, Fraser. Retail is UOB, iOCBC
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