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investor999 Elite	02-Aug-2020 11:52        investor999 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Be careful with AAPL..Its too expensive..I am worried it has reached it peak. I don't buy the talk that splitting so that small investors can buy. Let me give you my experience with RMG shares. It was $5 then it split..After that it just stagnant. I am still holding RMG shares pre split. Only bought few months ago to average down. But RMG at $1 is very difficult to recover SQueeze      ( Date: 02-Aug-2020 11:33) Posted: Yup. In April/May, i thought things would recover lots better by end year. It is obviously not the case.  better confront reality and not be in denial.  I bought into Delta and sold at a loss recently. That' s actually better prospect than SIA because they have a big domestic market and those angmohs couldn' t care less about Covid and would still travel.  Sold the Delta and bought into APPL and we had 10% up last Friday with APPL. Delta down some more below my selling price.  I am still holding SIA MCB. Wait 10 years lah. Should be ok. If Above $2.67 that time, i am still ok. A bit regret buying into it, but there is still time. Not going to watch / look into it until 2028!  i still believe SQ will survive but they should do something about it now before it' s too late.  limjoeseph      ( Date: 02-Aug-2020 09:57) Posted: investments are not for the faint hearted. There are winners and lossess. Cut lossess when wrong and ride with the winners. No point being in denial mode. Better to take bitter medicine and no point trying to talk the mkt up. There are better sector mkts whereby one can park their money for a rally like selected health care and technological stocks even in overall bear cycles. Unless you are a very long term investor, then hold on to your long SIA as you can can ride out the pandemic storm. For now, I am out of SIA for good. Looking at other counters!!! All the best to existing SIA shareholders!!!
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SAVIORFOREVER Supreme	02-Aug-2020 11:43        SAVIORFOREVER About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Bottom depends on company's performance. Trade with awareness and DYODD investor999      ( Date: 02-Aug-2020 08:19) Posted: You are saying the cheapest possible price for SIA is 3.405. I disagree as I think the cheapest possible price is 3.00. The reason being averaging of cost. CIMB took up the rights paying $3. If they bought extra rights from open market and combined with their mother shares, their average cost will be $3.80 and below ( depending on their purchase rights price). They sold down all the way from $4.38 until almost their cost price. Then they started accumulating from 3.72 and below but dumped everything collected last Friday. The losses compensated by the gains they made earlier. So what they have now are SIA share price at $3 MichaelSchenker      ( Date: 02-Aug-2020 02:54) Posted: No, I don' t think it is attractive at all. Those who are entitled to free Rights actually paid much more for their mother shares, and knowing excess Rights, they will usually not distribute much, usually to round up odd lots. That is why, during a Rights exercise, best approach is to Sell away the mother shares as soon as possible. If you don' t own the shares, never buy the shares CR, always try buying to Rights off the market to be converted if you want to own the shares eventually. As for SIA, the lowest possible shares held should be at 3.405, 0.405 being the cheapest Rights traded. It happened on the penultimate day of Rights trading
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SQueeze Master	02-Aug-2020 11:33        SQueeze About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Yup. In April/May, i thought things would recover lots better by end year. It is obviously not the case.  better confront reality and not be in denial.  I bought into Delta and sold at a loss recently. That' s actually better prospect than SIA because they have a big domestic market and those angmohs couldn' t care less about Covid and would still travel.  Sold the Delta and bought into APPL and we had 10% up last Friday with APPL. Delta down some more below my selling price.  I am still holding SIA MCB. Wait 10 years lah. Should be ok. If Above $2.67 that time, i am still ok. A bit regret buying into it, but there is still time. Not going to watch / look into it until 2028!  i still believe SQ will survive but they should do something about it now before it' s too late.  limjoeseph      ( Date: 02-Aug-2020 09:57) Posted: investments are not for the faint hearted. There are winners and lossess. Cut lossess when wrong and ride with the winners. No point being in denial mode. Better to take bitter medicine and no point trying to talk the mkt up. There are better sector mkts whereby one can park their money for a rally like selected health care and technological stocks even in overall bear cycles. Unless you are a very long term investor, then hold on to your long SIA as you can can ride out the pandemic storm. For now, I am out of SIA for good. Looking at other counters!!! All the best to existing SIA shareholders!!!
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SQueeze Master	02-Aug-2020 11:28        SQueeze About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Seen them in First Class very often!  Seat 2A, usually is management staff.  Business Class is not exclusive enough. Business class can sell to pax since demand is high and usually oversold.  They should put their management in business class, and bump the pax to F class instead.  Business class not good enough?  Goldfinger      ( Date: 02-Aug-2020 10:20) Posted: I have some not so close friends in a group of larger friends, where the husband is Middle Management in SIA. Once a year they will take the family on a whole family holiday FOC as a perk, and then the wife will ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS post pictures of their upgraded seats to Business Class and many pictures of food and drinks and seats etc etc.  Another acquaintance who is a Captain in SIA, told me that he will get free flights for life after retirement since he has reached a certain number of flight years/hours etc.  With such lavish perks - this is why SIA pilots and Management and Air Crew think that they are better than the normal man in the street.  Another SIA Captain friend will ask why we fly Economy Class when we can all in the group well afford to fly Business Class every time with Family. This type of real life encounters and situations is why I think SIA needs to revamp its perks and cut these types of unnecessary costs and downsize its staff.
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SQueeze Master	02-Aug-2020 11:25        SQueeze About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Can. That $3 may be ranging $3-$3.50 for 2 years. I think we are near the bottom. But the bottom may be very wide.  Sometimes it' s not just the depth of fall issue, but the width of it.  In the mean time, can put in other counters and multiply more.  Come back to SIA after 2 years.  vicloo      ( Date: 02-Aug-2020 10:53) Posted: Sia was ~10 dollars pre-covid, current shares was diluted by one third when it issues 1 to 3 rights in june. So pre-rights price is about 3.4/0.67 = $5.1. Thats about 50% drop, if drop to 3, will be 3/0.67 = $4.5.... Post vaccine release i think sia can easily come back to 5. 3 to 5, thats 35% return... Worth the risk to buy into 3?? vicloo      ( Date: 02-Aug-2020 10:28) Posted: Yeah i think 3 is the estimated bottom too.
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investor999 Elite	02-Aug-2020 11:14        investor999 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I don't how you see these aeroplanes and assets as aluminium and metals. Even primary school kids also know they are aeroplanes laksaman57      ( Date: 02-Aug-2020 10:56) Posted: A business with plenty of aluminium parked at the airport and huge manpower sitting at home/hangars can still worth $3. Amazing
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ssw518 Supreme	02-Aug-2020 11:14        ssw518 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I simple mind, simple calculation pre covid 1 share = 10 +3 right 1share = 10+excersise price / 4 = post covid price assuming all other factor same, do your own calculation and factor your risk you willing to absorb, what your percentage of ROI you want that will be your highest buying price.
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laksaman57 Supreme	02-Aug-2020 10:56        laksaman57 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	A business with plenty of aluminium parked at the airport and huge manpower sitting at home/hangars can still worth $3. Amazing
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vicloo Supreme	02-Aug-2020 10:53        vicloo About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Sia was ~10 dollars pre-covid, current shares was diluted by one third when it issues 1 to 3 rights in june. So pre-rights price is about 3.4/0.67 = $5.1. Thats about 50% drop, if drop to 3, will be 3/0.67 = $4.5.... Post vaccine release i think sia can easily come back to 5. 3 to 5, thats 35% return... Worth the risk to buy into 3?? vicloo      ( Date: 02-Aug-2020 10:28) Posted: Yeah i think 3 is the estimated bottom too. investor999      ( Date: 02-Aug-2020 08:19) Posted: You are saying the cheapest possible price for SIA is 3.405. I disagree as I think the cheapest possible price is 3.00. The reason being averaging of cost. CIMB took up the rights paying $3. If they bought extra rights from open market and combined with their mother shares, their average cost will be $3.80 and below ( depending on their purchase rights price). They sold down all the way from $4.38 until almost their cost price. Then they started accumulating from 3.72 and below but dumped everything collected last Friday. The losses compensated by the gains they made earlier. So what they have now are SIA share price at $
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vicloo Supreme	02-Aug-2020 10:28        vicloo About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Yeah i think 3 is the estimated bottom too. investor999      ( Date: 02-Aug-2020 08:19) Posted: You are saying the cheapest possible price for SIA is 3.405. I disagree as I think the cheapest possible price is 3.00. The reason being averaging of cost. CIMB took up the rights paying $3. If they bought extra rights from open market and combined with their mother shares, their average cost will be $3.80 and below ( depending on their purchase rights price). They sold down all the way from $4.38 until almost their cost price. Then they started accumulating from 3.72 and below but dumped everything collected last Friday. The losses compensated by the gains they made earlier. So what they have now are SIA share price at $3 MichaelSchenker      ( Date: 02-Aug-2020 02:54) Posted: No, I don' t think it is attractive at all. Those who are entitled to free Rights actually paid much more for their mother shares, and knowing excess Rights, they will usually not distribute much, usually to round up odd lots. That is why, during a Rights exercise, best approach is to Sell away the mother shares as soon as possible. If you don' t own the shares, never buy the shares CR, always try buying to Rights off the market to be converted if you want to own the shares eventually. As for SIA, the lowest possible shares held should be at 3.405, 0.405 being the cheapest Rights traded. It happened on the penultimate day of Rights trading
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Goldfinger Supreme	02-Aug-2020 10:20        Goldfinger About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I have some not so close friends in a group of larger friends, where the husband is Middle Management in SIA. Once a year they will take the family on a whole family holiday FOC as a perk, and then the wife will ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS post pictures of their upgraded seats to Business Class and many pictures of food and drinks and seats etc etc.  Another acquaintance who is a Captain in SIA, told me that he will get free flights for life after retirement since he has reached a certain number of flight years/hours etc.  With such lavish perks - this is why SIA pilots and Management and Air Crew think that they are better than the normal man in the street.  Another SIA Captain friend will ask why we fly Economy Class when we can all in the group well afford to fly Business Class every time with Family. This type of real life encounters and situations is why I think SIA needs to revamp its perks and cut these types of unnecessary costs and downsize its staff.
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Goldfinger Supreme	02-Aug-2020 10:14        Goldfinger About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	These people have a name - they are called SHORTISTS. investor999      ( Date: 02-Aug-2020 08:22) Posted: I read many people feel the stock market is going to crash. That means Monday we may say broad base selling.
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limjoeseph Supreme	02-Aug-2020 09:57        limjoeseph About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	investments are not for the faint hearted. There are winners and lossess. Cut lossess when wrong and ride with the winners. No point being in denial mode. Better to take bitter medicine and no point trying to talk the mkt up. There are better sector mkts whereby one can park their money for a rally like selected health care and technological stocks even in overall bear cycles. Unless you are a very long term investor, then hold on to your long SIA as you can can ride out the pandemic storm. For now, I am out of SIA for good. Looking at other counters!!! All the best to existing SIA shareholders!!!
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Trader130 Supreme	02-Aug-2020 09:40        Trader130 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Mom also chip in cash into SIA 👍 Sgvale      ( Date: 02-Aug-2020 09:06) Posted: SIA pilot so protected good & bad times. High time our MOM or laws to do something. SQueeze      ( Date: 02-Aug-2020 09:01) Posted: This thread is such a heated debate.  My opinion, recovery is longer than expected. 50% by March 2021 is really bad.  Also IATA said, no full recovery till 2024.  Even if this is true and now is the worst that it can get (i actually think it is), and the share price is rock bottom, I still won' t touch it. Because being in the bottom can last for 2-3 years also which is likely if share price is going to mirror actual recovery trajectory.  In the mean time, better invest in other counters / industries which are either thriving now (medical and tech), or even the U-shape ones (like the banks). Airline and travel industry will be last to recover.  We may have share price rocketing on vaccine news, if that' s the case, good to take advantage of for existing holders, but it will drop back again once the reality sets in to investors that approving, producing, and mass-implementation will take a long time from the announcement of vaccine success and that travel restrictions will remain for awhile.  The fundamental of airline industry is also changed. There is a portion of business travel that will never come back. This fate is sealed, no need to be in denial anymore. So less profits. Leisure travel will recover fully later on but might be 5 years away. This one is not replaceable. On the good note, there will be less players in the market as weaker airlines will fail. In Southeast Asia, SIA is probably most resilient with the strongest brand to survive but ME3 also has strong backing. My issue with SIA currently is that they are not doing enough to treat this crisis of the century that seriously. If they don' t follow those hard decisions other airlines are making (we know what), then it might be too late later on. They need to start taking the actual bitter medicine, and stop surviving on the painkillers given by shareholders and the govt. The industry is structurally changed forever, it cannot be the same later on even after full recovery, the focus has to be different, and the current structure has to be changed and no point retaining the structure. It' s a dream that will never come true.  very very disappointed with the pilots' attitude. Completely selfish. They deserve to be downsized. Take it or leave it. You can get more pilots from elsewhere. No shortage of pilots now trying to find work.
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Sgvale Supreme	02-Aug-2020 09:06        Sgvale About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	SIA pilot so protected good & bad times. High time our MOM or laws to do something. SQueeze      ( Date: 02-Aug-2020 09:01) Posted: This thread is such a heated debate.  My opinion, recovery is longer than expected. 50% by March 2021 is really bad.  Also IATA said, no full recovery till 2024.  Even if this is true and now is the worst that it can get (i actually think it is), and the share price is rock bottom, I still won' t touch it. Because being in the bottom can last for 2-3 years also which is likely if share price is going to mirror actual recovery trajectory.  In the mean time, better invest in other counters / industries which are either thriving now (medical and tech), or even the U-shape ones (like the banks). Airline and travel industry will be last to recover.  We may have share price rocketing on vaccine news, if that' s the case, good to take advantage of for existing holders, but it will drop back again once the reality sets in to investors that approving, producing, and mass-implementation will take a long time from the announcement of vaccine success and that travel restrictions will remain for awhile.  The fundamental of airline industry is also changed. There is a portion of business travel that will never come back. This fate is sealed, no need to be in denial anymore. So less profits. Leisure travel will recover fully later on but might be 5 years away. This one is not replaceable. On the good note, there will be less players in the market as weaker airlines will fail. In Southeast Asia, SIA is probably most resilient with the strongest brand to survive but ME3 also has strong backing. My issue with SIA currently is that they are not doing enough to treat this crisis of the century that seriously. If they don' t follow those hard decisions other airlines are making (we know what), then it might be too late later on. They need to start taking the actual bitter medicine, and stop surviving on the painkillers given by shareholders and the govt. The industry is structurally changed forever, it cannot be the same later on even after full recovery, the focus has to be different, and the current structure has to be changed and no point retaining the structure. It' s a dream that will never come true.  very very disappointed with the pilots' attitude. Completely selfish. They deserve to be downsized. Take it or leave it. You can get more pilots from elsewhere. No shortage of pilots now trying to find work.
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SQueeze Master	02-Aug-2020 09:01        SQueeze About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	This thread is such a heated debate.  My opinion, recovery is longer than expected. 50% by March 2021 is really bad.  Also IATA said, no full recovery till 2024.  Even if this is true and now is the worst that it can get (i actually think it is), and the share price is rock bottom, I still won' t touch it. Because being in the bottom can last for 2-3 years also which is likely if share price is going to mirror actual recovery trajectory.  In the mean time, better invest in other counters / industries which are either thriving now (medical and tech), or even the U-shape ones (like the banks). Airline and travel industry will be last to recover.  We may have share price rocketing on vaccine news, if that' s the case, good to take advantage of for existing holders, but it will drop back again once the reality sets in to investors that approving, producing, and mass-implementation will take a long time from the announcement of vaccine success and that travel restrictions will remain for awhile.  The fundamental of airline industry is also changed. There is a portion of business travel that will never come back. This fate is sealed, no need to be in denial anymore. So less profits. Leisure travel will recover fully later on but might be 5 years away. This one is not replaceable. On the good note, there will be less players in the market as weaker airlines will fail. In Southeast Asia, SIA is probably most resilient with the strongest brand to survive but ME3 also has strong backing. My issue with SIA currently is that they are not doing enough to treat this crisis of the century that seriously. If they don' t follow those hard decisions other airlines are making (we know what), then it might be too late later on. They need to start taking the actual bitter medicine, and stop surviving on the painkillers given by shareholders and the govt. The industry is structurally changed forever, it cannot be the same later on even after full recovery, the focus has to be different, and the current structure has to be changed and no point retaining the structure. It' s a dream that will never come true.  very very disappointed with the pilots' attitude. Completely selfish. They deserve to be downsized. Take it or leave it. You can get more pilots from elsewhere. No shortage of pilots now trying to find work.
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MichaelSchenker Master	02-Aug-2020 08:44        MichaelSchenker About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Your imagination that these phantom banks got tons of excess Rights Shares is truly imaginative. Fact is, excess Rights are allocated to round up odd lots, which by simple presumption cannot even make 1:1 mother share ratio, not forgetting, the costs of mother Shares already far outweighed the excess Rights that are alloted. And if anybody were to gain by flipping their shares, it is attributed to their luck and foresight, definitely not gains from being alloted excess Rights Shares.   investor999      ( Date: 02-Aug-2020 08:19) Posted: You are saying the cheapest possible price for SIA is 3.405. I disagree as I think the cheapest possible price is 3.00. The reason being averaging of cost. CIMB took up the rights paying $3. If they bought extra rights from open market and combined with their mother shares, their average cost will be $3.80 and below ( depending on their purchase rights price). They sold down all the way from $4.38 until almost their cost price. Then they started accumulating from 3.72 and below but dumped everything collected last Friday. The losses compensated by the gains they made earlier. So what they have now are SIA share price at $3 MichaelSchenker      ( Date: 02-Aug-2020 02:54) Posted: No, I don' t think it is attractive at all. Those who are entitled to free Rights actually paid much more for their mother shares, and knowing excess Rights, they will usually not distribute much, usually to round up odd lots. That is why, during a Rights exercise, best approach is to Sell away the mother shares as soon as possible. If you don' t own the shares, never buy the shares CR, always try buying to Rights off the market to be converted if you want to own the shares eventually. As for SIA, the lowest possible shares held should be at 3.405, 0.405 being the cheapest Rights traded. It happened on the penultimate day of Rights trading
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investor999 Elite	02-Aug-2020 08:36        investor999 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	The foreign banks might have sold all they have. Retail investors are main holders of the floated shares. The selling now are going to be from retail investors investor999      ( Date: 02-Aug-2020 08:19) Posted: You are saying the cheapest possible price for SIA is 3.405. I disagree as I think the cheapest possible price is 3.00. The reason being averaging of cost. CIMB took up the rights paying $3. If they bought extra rights from open market and combined with their mother shares, their average cost will be $3.80 and below ( depending on their purchase rights price). They sold down all the way from $4.38 until almost their cost price. Then they started accumulating from 3.72 and below but dumped everything collected last Friday. The losses compensated by the gains they made earlier. So what they have now are SIA share price at $3 MichaelSchenker      ( Date: 02-Aug-2020 02:54) Posted: No, I don' t think it is attractive at all. Those who are entitled to free Rights actually paid much more for their mother shares, and knowing excess Rights, they will usually not distribute much, usually to round up odd lots. That is why, during a Rights exercise, best approach is to Sell away the mother shares as soon as possible. If you don' t own the shares, never buy the shares CR, always try buying to Rights off the market to be converted if you want to own the shares eventually. As for SIA, the lowest possible shares held should be at 3.405, 0.405 being the cheapest Rights traded. It happened on the penultimate day of Rights trading
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investor999 Elite	02-Aug-2020 08:27        investor999 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Isn' t this when you should be buying shares? You people always choose to buy the favourite stocks. When the market crashes these are the stocks that will be sold down the most JerryMaple      ( Date: 01-Aug-2020 21:02) Posted: I know you love SIA stocks and Sg.. But sometimes you got to be realistic, u keep comparing the history.. Do you know that last time there are no budget airlines? Do you know that SIA buyover tiger airline which renamed as Scott and is doing very badly thereafter? Tiger airline used to be ok but after took over by SIA it is........ If you just buy to support then I am ok with your comments.. If you keep deceiving yourself by saying it will go back to it's glorious day then good luck to you.. Frankly speaking, you are the only one still thinking the situation is ok.. Most of the shareholders sucking their thumb now... Doydd.. investor999      ( Date: 01-Aug-2020 18:45) Posted: SIA IPO in 1985 one month after Pan EL crisis..It was traded below $5 but rosed to $9.60 the following year. Since when did the $2.31 happen on 30 June 1986. Wah you are talking about stock price 34 years ago. Might as well talk about the Dow Jones index 30 years ag
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investor999 Elite	02-Aug-2020 08:22        investor999 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I read many people feel the stock market is going to crash. That means Monday we may say broad base selling.
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