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AhLiang Elite	15-May-2020 20:06        AhLiang About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Expert you are making too much assumptions. Unless you are sitting in Temasek and attend their meeting chaired by Mdm Ho, please don't make this kind of assumption because people are putting in real money in this. TA_Expert      ( Date: 15-May-2020 19:15) Posted: There could be reasons why Temasek want to support the price even though she guarantees the full subscription. Imagine the share price keeps falling from $4 all the way to $3 before Thursday, what does it show? A lost of confidence? No existing shareholders will take up the rights. By having a floor, say $3.70 before Thursday, it will entice existing shareholders to take up the rights.  Secondly, it is a face thingy. After Thursday, the news come out that the rights subsciption is super under subscribed. It is damaging to Temasek and the govt reputation. On the contrary, If the subscription is overwhelming subscribed, you will see headlines appearing in media stating that investors show confidence to SIA and aviation sector, etc. Singapore govt will be pround of SIngaporeans to show support. From the way it looks, the price won' t crash until Jun.   nngeeh      ( Date: 15-May-2020 18:32) Posted: Even if the share price drops back to 3.5, 3.6 ... as long as there is a gap from the exercise price, ppl will subscribe. It doesn' t need to  stay at 4.
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AhLiang Elite	15-May-2020 20:01        AhLiang About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	You must see the rights as potatoes. If you are already holding them and if you want to eat them, you have to pay $3 for each of them. If you don't want to pay, Ah Kong will eat them. Mother shares can now drop to 0.001 or rise to $10 it is not important. The two have already detached from one another. But when the new shares come in, there will only be one price. newbieliu      ( Date: 15-May-2020 19:11) Posted: If the right shares drop to zero, that mean the mother shares value will follow suit as right shares allow u to purchase the mother shares at a discount ( for those who are given for free) and mother shares price has been discounted.  Of course for those who dont have any SIA shares we dont feel any pain if the right shares price drop to zero - but these right shares is part of the original values of the mother shares that has been diluted lol. Else why are u seeing the mother share drop from 6.50 to 3.90 today . Remember 6.50 is a huge drop from 9 dollars after knowing the impact of hedging loss and covid 19 impacts.  AhLiang      ( Date: 15-May-2020 19:01) Posted: Why $4 has to be supported? Even if the rights drop to 0.001, the holders either have to pay $3 at the ATM or let it expire and Ah Kong will pick it up and pay the $3. This has nothing to do with the mother shares
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ConstantLearning Member	15-May-2020 19:58        ConstantLearning About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	what happens if delist? the shares held how? ninervictor      ( Date: 15-May-2020 19:37) Posted: based on my internal knowledge, there is not support from temasek in market as of now...  the long shot could be to privatize and delist SIA after they increase their majority shareholdings, saving the carrier is one thing, saving the shareholders is another...
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ninervictor Senior	15-May-2020 19:37        ninervictor About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 1   x 0  Alert Admin	based on my internal knowledge, there is not support from temasek in market as of now...  the long shot could be to privatize and delist SIA after they increase their majority shareholdings, saving the carrier is one thing, saving the shareholders is another...
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uiop1223 Supreme	15-May-2020 19:30        uiop1223 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	If temasek wants to support now, disclosure in SGX is necessary. So if i dont see any disclosures by temesak, that means no support by temasek from now till next week. So dont create fake theories like secret companies and so on.
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nngeeh Veteran	15-May-2020 19:21        nngeeh About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 1   x 0  Alert Admin	From the price movement yesterday and today. $3.7 seems to be the bottom. Wont need Temasek to subscribe the unsubscribed rights ..... but i doubt any many shareholders will dare to subscribe the MCB .... Temasek will most likely have to fork out $$$ for MCB. TA_Expert      ( Date: 15-May-2020 19:15) Posted: There could be reasons why Temasek want to support the price even though she guarantees the full subscription. Imagine the share price keeps falling from $4 all the way to $3 before Thursday, what does it show? A lost of confidence? No existing shareholders will take up the rights. By having a floor, say $3.70 before Thursday, it will entice existing shareholders to take up the rights.  Secondly, it is a face thingy. After Thursday, the news come out that the rights subsciption is super under subscribed. It is damaging to Temasek and the govt reputation. On the contrary, If the subscription is overwhelming subscribed, you will see headlines appearing in media stating that investors show confidence to SIA and aviation sector, etc. Singapore govt will be pround of SIngaporeans to show support. From the way it looks, the price won' t crash until Jun.   nngeeh      ( Date: 15-May-2020 18:32) Posted: Even if the share price drops back to 3.5, 3.6 ... as long as there is a gap from the exercise price, ppl will subscribe. It doesn' t need to  stay at 4.
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TA_Expert Supreme	15-May-2020 19:15        TA_Expert About Contact  Quote this Post!   Yells: "The World has changed"
x 1   x 0  Alert Admin	There could be reasons why Temasek want to support the price even though she guarantees the full subscription. Imagine the share price keeps falling from $4 all the way to $3 before Thursday, what does it show? A lost of confidence? No existing shareholders will take up the rights. By having a floor, say $3.70 before Thursday, it will entice existing shareholders to take up the rights.  Secondly, it is a face thingy. After Thursday, the news come out that the rights subsciption is super under subscribed. It is damaging to Temasek and the govt reputation. On the contrary, If the subscription is overwhelming subscribed, you will see headlines appearing in media stating that investors show confidence to SIA and aviation sector, etc. Singapore govt will be pround of SIngaporeans to show support. From the way it looks, the price won' t crash until Jun.   nngeeh      ( Date: 15-May-2020 18:32) Posted: Even if the share price drops back to 3.5, 3.6 ... as long as there is a gap from the exercise price, ppl will subscribe. It doesn' t need to  stay at 4.  newbieliu      ( Date: 15-May-2020 18:28) Posted: not surprised it bounce back strongly next week to entice more ppl to buy the right shares happily (esp if you already own the 2 right shares for every 3 mother shares you have before 6 May)?  In other words, mother shares HAVE to be supported by sgd 4 die die by 21 May else right shares will fall through since i can buy mother shares at cheaper price and no need to pay extra 3 dollars to own the mother shares (for those who are given the 2 free right shares). I hope it makes cents ?lo
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newbieliu Elite	15-May-2020 19:11        newbieliu About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	If the right shares drop to zero, that mean the mother shares value will follow suit as right shares allow u to purchase the mother shares at a discount ( for those who are given for free) and mother shares price has been discounted.  Of course for those who dont have any SIA shares we dont feel any pain if the right shares price drop to zero - but these right shares is part of the original values of the mother shares that has been diluted lol. Else why are u seeing the mother share drop from 6.50 to 3.90 today . Remember 6.50 is a huge drop from 9 dollars after knowing the impact of hedging loss and covid 19 impacts.  AhLiang      ( Date: 15-May-2020 19:01) Posted: Why $4 has to be supported? Even if the rights drop to 0.001, the holders either have to pay $3 at the ATM or let it expire and Ah Kong will pick it up and pay the $3. This has nothing to do with the mother shares newbieliu      ( Date: 15-May-2020 18:28) Posted: not surprised it bounce back strongly next week to entice more ppl to buy the right shares happily (esp if you already own the 2 right shares for every 3 mother shares you have before 6 May)?  In other words, mother shares HAVE to be supported by sgd 4 die die by 21 May else right shares will fall through since i can buy mother shares at cheaper price and no need to pay extra 3 dollars to own the mother shares (for those who are given the 2 free right shares). I hope it makes cents ?lo
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newbieliu Elite	15-May-2020 19:05        newbieliu About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	It failed because it failed to build the confidence of all its investors that the company will live throughthis crisis and TH has to come in to pay up all the right shares and then extra investment for it.  TH is a huge name in SG and if investors have faith in it , TH wont have to come in to support it financially. it is a huge stress on TH' own investment portfolio too if i(SIA)continues to perform badly due to TH increased exposure to aviation sector. Besides, TH has pledged to take up all bond and any unsuscribed right shares, imagine its stake in SIA will increase to an extent that it will have to take it private if no one (or huge number of people do not) wanna suscribe the right shares or bond. it will take up 15 billion of investment from TH if it fails and TH has to swallow it by itself.  Meanwhile, DBS nominees already own 11% of it. and it is not difficult for it support it by purchasing it too if they want lol. Hence it is too huge to fall and it is very sia suay if there is so many support yet no one buys the story lol   nngeeh      ( Date: 15-May-2020 18:56) Posted: As is fully underwritten by Temasek, even if the price fall below $3, Temasek will be fully subscribe their entitlement + and any other rights that are not taken up by shareholders. Why will it fail ? newbieliu      ( Date: 15-May-2020 18:45) Posted: u right provide the mother shares go back below 3.70  and that will fail the fund raising lol and it will not happen as they need the money from investors lol
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AhLiang Elite	15-May-2020 19:01        AhLiang About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Why $4 has to be supported? Even if the rights drop to 0.001, the holders either have to pay $3 at the ATM or let it expire and Ah Kong will pick it up and pay the $3. This has nothing to do with the mother shares newbieliu      ( Date: 15-May-2020 18:28) Posted: not surprised it bounce back strongly next week to entice more ppl to buy the right shares happily (esp if you already own the 2 right shares for every 3 mother shares you have before 6 May)?  In other words, mother shares HAVE to be supported by sgd 4 die die by 21 May else right shares will fall through since i can buy mother shares at cheaper price and no need to pay extra 3 dollars to own the mother shares (for those who are given the 2 free right shares). I hope it makes cents ?lol TA_Expert      ( Date: 15-May-2020 17:47) Posted: If the price can go back to $4.40 after Thursday, it will be a shock to shortists
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uiop1223 Supreme	15-May-2020 19:01        uiop1223 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Exactly! I see alot of noobs here nngeeh      ( Date: 15-May-2020 18:56) Posted: As is fully underwritten by Temasek, even if the price fall below $3, Temasek will be fully subscribe their entitlement + and any other rights that are not taken up by shareholders. Why will it fail ? newbieliu      ( Date: 15-May-2020 18:45) Posted: u right provide the mother shares go back below 3.70  and that will fail the fund raising lol and it will not happen as they need the money from investors lol
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uiop1223 Supreme	15-May-2020 18:58        uiop1223 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Why will temasek do this? Lol. Go through such a complex way in order to convince u guys to subscribe? Also, note that disclosure need to be make for direct AND deem interests which will include all companies direct or indirect owned by temasek. So u guys telling me temesak is violating SGX rules? What secret companies are u talking? Lol. newbieliu      ( Date: 15-May-2020 18:42) Posted: We already mentioned that they have many investment companies that they can utlise to support it secretly if they want . As long as they dont exceed 5% , there is no need to make any announcement LOL.  And, they will not let this be paid by them through official announcement hence mother shares and right shares willbe supported .  Look at the shortists attack today. You should know that they are no match to the amount of bullets they shoot through the snipers (investment companies under their subsidiaries) . Hence despite the known fact that they have made a huge loss in hedging and miraculous loss in one quarter, we already foresee next quarter wont look good. One of the forummer also mentioned that hedging for 5 years, there are 2 sides of the coins. Hopefully the oil will go backto 40-50 dollars by next quarter then we could see the loss is salvaged lol.  Nonetheless, I am vested a little la. worst is use some cash to convert to mother shares lol nngeeh      ( Date: 15-May-2020 18:36) Posted: I agreed. It' s fully underwritten by Temasek. The rights will be fully taken up regardless of the pricing.  Since they will be subscribing all, there is no point for them to come in at this price to support. And if they do, we' ll definitely see that in the announcement but we have not seen any so far and i doubt we' ll see it in the next few days
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nngeeh Veteran	15-May-2020 18:56        nngeeh About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	As is fully underwritten by Temasek, even if the price fall below $3, Temasek will be fully subscribe their entitlement + and any other rights that are not taken up by shareholders. Why will it fail ? newbieliu      ( Date: 15-May-2020 18:45) Posted: u right provide the mother shares go back below 3.70  and that will fail the fund raising lol and it will not happen as they need the money from investors lol  nngeeh      ( Date: 15-May-2020 18:32) Posted: Even if the share price drops back to 3.5, 3.6 ... as long as there is a gap from the exercise price, ppl will subscribe. It doesn' t need to  stay at 4.
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nngeeh Veteran	15-May-2020 18:49        nngeeh About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Temasek owns more than 50% ... and my understanding is that they will need to make announcement even if it is their indirect investment that is increasing the shareholding. Unless Temasek owns less than 5% (direct or indirectly), they will not need to make announcement. newbieliu      ( Date: 15-May-2020 18:42) Posted: We already mentioned that they have many investment companies that they can utlise to support it secretly if they want . As long as they dont exceed 5% , there is no need to make any announcement LOL.  And, they will not let this be paid by them through official announcement hence mother shares and right shares willbe supported .  Look at the shortists attack today. You should know that they are no match to the amount of bullets they shoot through the snipers (investment companies under their subsidiaries) . Hence despite the known fact that they have made a huge loss in hedging and miraculous loss in one quarter, we already foresee next quarter wont look good. One of the forummer also mentioned that hedging for 5 years, there are 2 sides of the coins. Hopefully the oil will go backto 40-50 dollars by next quarter then we could see the loss is salvaged lol.  Nonetheless, I am vested a little la. worst is use some cash to convert to mother shares lol nngeeh      ( Date: 15-May-2020 18:36) Posted: I agreed. It' s fully underwritten by Temasek. The rights will be fully taken up regardless of the pricing.  Since they will be subscribing all, there is no point for them to come in at this price to support. And if they do, we' ll definitely see that in the announcement but we have not seen any so far and i doubt we' ll see it in the next few days
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newbieliu Elite	15-May-2020 18:45        newbieliu About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	u right provide the mother shares go back below 3.70  and that will fail the fund raising lol and it will not happen as they need the money from investors lol  nngeeh      ( Date: 15-May-2020 18:32) Posted: Even if the share price drops back to 3.5, 3.6 ... as long as there is a gap from the exercise price, ppl will subscribe. It doesn' t need to  stay at 4.  newbieliu      ( Date: 15-May-2020 18:28) Posted: not surprised it bounce back strongly next week to entice more ppl to buy the right shares happily (esp if you already own the 2 right shares for every 3 mother shares you have before 6 May)?  In other words, mother shares HAVE to be supported by sgd 4 die die by 21 May else right shares will fall through since i can buy mother shares at cheaper price and no need to pay extra 3 dollars to own the mother shares (for those who are given the 2 free right shares). I hope it makes cents ?lo
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newbieliu Elite	15-May-2020 18:42        newbieliu About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	We already mentioned that they have many investment companies that they can utlise to support it secretly if they want . As long as they dont exceed 5% , there is no need to make any announcement LOL.  And, they will not let this be paid by them through official announcement hence mother shares and right shares willbe supported .  Look at the shortists attack today. You should know that they are no match to the amount of bullets they shoot through the snipers (investment companies under their subsidiaries) . Hence despite the known fact that they have made a huge loss in hedging and miraculous loss in one quarter, we already foresee next quarter wont look good. One of the forummer also mentioned that hedging for 5 years, there are 2 sides of the coins. Hopefully the oil will go backto 40-50 dollars by next quarter then we could see the loss is salvaged lol.  Nonetheless, I am vested a little la. worst is use some cash to convert to mother shares lol nngeeh      ( Date: 15-May-2020 18:36) Posted: I agreed. It' s fully underwritten by Temasek. The rights will be fully taken up regardless of the pricing.  Since they will be subscribing all, there is no point for them to come in at this price to support. And if they do, we' ll definitely see that in the announcement but we have not seen any so far and i doubt we' ll see it in the next few days. uiop1223      ( Date: 15-May-2020 18:30) Posted: I already mentioned earlier that this fund raising will not fail. Temasek will pay for any unsubscribe rights when the trading of rights ended... and they DONT need to go to the mkt to buy the rights. So those who buy the rights and bet till next week, take care. Coz temesak will not buy from u.
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newbieliu Elite	15-May-2020 18:36        newbieliu About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	the truth is they will use the money to support this hence if the TH pay for any unsuscribed right and pay additional 3 (4 sgd in total). It is a good news to the investors LOL. Hence, there is no doubt that they will try to ensure the right shares is fully suscribed and OTHERs pay that $3 and not them so that it wont look bad on them too since the reputation of backing of TH is marred if it is NOT fully suscribed lol Oldman278      ( Date: 15-May-2020 18:32) Posted: TH use our money!!! Knn uiop1223      ( Date: 15-May-2020 18:30) Posted: I already mentioned earlier that this fund raising will not fail. Temasek will pay for any unsubscribe rights when the trading of rights ended... and they DONT need to go to the mkt to buy the rights. So those who buy the rights and bet till next week, take care. Coz temesak will not buy from u.
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lighter87 Master	15-May-2020 18:36        lighter87 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	After the extra shares are introduced into the market, don't think ah Kong will care about the price anymore. No more invisible hand uiop1223      ( Date: 15-May-2020 18:30) Posted: I already mentioned earlier that this fund raising will not fail. Temasek will pay for any unsubscribe rights when the trading of rights ended... and they DONT need to go to the mkt to buy the rights. So those who buy the rights and bet till next week, take care. Coz temesak will not buy from u. newbieliu      ( Date: 15-May-2020 18:14) Posted: mmm 3-4 years is a high risk investment as it does not guarantee 100% return on your capital though... Where as it is usual for the right share to trail behind mother shares for such a huge margin one... correct me with some past examples of blue chips...  For penny stocks, we understand it should trail behind as anytime no one wanna suscribe when shortists keep attacking the mother shares until it is meaningless to suscribe the right shares..... when that happens, NO one will invest in SIA by suscribing to the right shares that start off at $1 and need retailers and investors to top up $3 to invest in the company.  Simply to say, buy on Monday if there is any dip since TH wont let this fund raising to fall LO
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nngeeh Veteran	15-May-2020 18:36        nngeeh About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I agreed. It' s fully underwritten by Temasek. The rights will be fully taken up regardless of the pricing.  Since they will be subscribing all, there is no point for them to come in at this price to support. And if they do, we' ll definitely see that in the announcement but we have not seen any so far and i doubt we' ll see it in the next few days. uiop1223      ( Date: 15-May-2020 18:30) Posted: I already mentioned earlier that this fund raising will not fail. Temasek will pay for any unsubscribe rights when the trading of rights ended... and they DONT need to go to the mkt to buy the rights. So those who buy the rights and bet till next week, take care. Coz temesak will not buy from u. newbieliu      ( Date: 15-May-2020 18:14) Posted: mmm 3-4 years is a high risk investment as it does not guarantee 100% return on your capital though... Where as it is usual for the right share to trail behind mother shares for such a huge margin one... correct me with some past examples of blue chips...  For penny stocks, we understand it should trail behind as anytime no one wanna suscribe when shortists keep attacking the mother shares until it is meaningless to suscribe the right shares..... when that happens, NO one will invest in SIA by suscribing to the right shares that start off at $1 and need retailers and investors to top up $3 to invest in the company.  Simply to say, buy on Monday if there is any dip since TH wont let this fund raising to fall LO
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Oldman278 Senior	15-May-2020 18:32        Oldman278 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	TH use our money!!! Knn uiop1223      ( Date: 15-May-2020 18:30) Posted: I already mentioned earlier that this fund raising will not fail. Temasek will pay for any unsubscribe rights when the trading of rights ended... and they DONT need to go to the mkt to buy the rights. So those who buy the rights and bet till next week, take care. Coz temesak will not buy from u. newbieliu      ( Date: 15-May-2020 18:14) Posted: mmm 3-4 years is a high risk investment as it does not guarantee 100% return on your capital though... Where as it is usual for the right share to trail behind mother shares for such a huge margin one... correct me with some past examples of blue chips...  For penny stocks, we understand it should trail behind as anytime no one wanna suscribe when shortists keep attacking the mother shares until it is meaningless to suscribe the right shares..... when that happens, NO one will invest in SIA by suscribing to the right shares that start off at $1 and need retailers and investors to top up $3 to invest in the company.  Simply to say, buy on Monday if there is any dip since TH wont let this fund raising to fall LO
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