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nngeeh Veteran	15-May-2020 18:32        nngeeh About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Even if the share price drops back to 3.5, 3.6 ... as long as there is a gap from the exercise price, ppl will subscribe. It doesn' t need to  stay at 4.  newbieliu      ( Date: 15-May-2020 18:28) Posted: not surprised it bounce back strongly next week to entice more ppl to buy the right shares happily (esp if you already own the 2 right shares for every 3 mother shares you have before 6 May)?  In other words, mother shares HAVE to be supported by sgd 4 die die by 21 May else right shares will fall through since i can buy mother shares at cheaper price and no need to pay extra 3 dollars to own the mother shares (for those who are given the 2 free right shares). I hope it makes cents ?lol TA_Expert      ( Date: 15-May-2020 17:47) Posted: If the price can go back to $4.40 after Thursday, it will be a shock to shortists
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uiop1223 Supreme	15-May-2020 18:30        uiop1223 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I already mentioned earlier that this fund raising will not fail. Temasek will pay for any unsubscribe rights when the trading of rights ended... and they DONT need to go to the mkt to buy the rights. So those who buy the rights and bet till next week, take care. Coz temesak will not buy from u. newbieliu      ( Date: 15-May-2020 18:14) Posted: mmm 3-4 years is a high risk investment as it does not guarantee 100% return on your capital though... Where as it is usual for the right share to trail behind mother shares for such a huge margin one... correct me with some past examples of blue chips...  For penny stocks, we understand it should trail behind as anytime no one wanna suscribe when shortists keep attacking the mother shares until it is meaningless to suscribe the right shares..... when that happens, NO one will invest in SIA by suscribing to the right shares that start off at $1 and need retailers and investors to top up $3 to invest in the company.  Simply to say, buy on Monday if there is any dip since TH wont let this fund raising to fall LOL SinglePore      ( Date: 15-May-2020 18:07) Posted: You save money on brokerage if subscribe right shares at ATM. However, you need to wait until Jun 8 to sell the right shares. Between May 21 to Jun 7, if you don' t borrow shares to short (e.g. CFD), you can' t sell your shares when price rallies. On Jun 8, the price could be falling bcos so many people want to sell the right shares. That will create an overhang situation with 3x size of shares.  Therefore, why the main share now has premium by about 8 cents to the R + subscribed price of $3. If you have a lot of cash of CPF-OA, just buy the main share, forget it, keep it for several years. You are not going to regret what I said. SIA is the icon of Singapore. Whether SG is still under PAP or opposition, SG will never let SIA fail. Without SIA, there could be no Singapore. You must believe that, ok?  If not, you better fly to the moon. :-) With this fundraising, SIA now is becoming cash-rich bluechip and can weather any storm for some foreseeable future. Luckily SIA did that earlier when a lot of cash-rich investors still have money sitting at the sideline. If you have extra money or CPF-OA sitting idle, you may consider keeping SIA share for at least 3-4 years. Once the share overhang is over for a couple of years, SIA will fly again towards $9 or even higher.    The problem is everybody in this forum wants quick rally and treat SGX as the casino. Most of you don' t have patience and some may not have a deep pocket to keep stocks for so long. So what to do?  :-)
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ConstantLearning Member	15-May-2020 18:30        ConstantLearning About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Hmm, I see where you are coming from. Thanks NewBieliu newbieliu      ( Date: 15-May-2020 18:23) Posted: huh... why am i wrong? if u buy right share now at 0.82 then convert it to mother by paying $3, then you also own the mother share using 3.82 but if you buy mother share it is higher at 3.91 . Hence isnt it making sense to buy right share to match with mother shares instead since it has a margin now. Caveat we are talking about if you dont own any SIA shares ( right or mother shares at first ) lol ConstantLearning      ( Date: 15-May-2020 18:14) Posted: Thanks! So if that' s the case statement from Newbieliu is not true. It should be: Mother share should be around $4 something (say $4.50) before 13May, and say you own 1000 SIA shares there. Rights share @ 0.82 is for trading betweem 13May - 21May only. After that the rights share amount (say 1000 rights shares) will have to be converted to mother share @ $3/share. So You need to pay 1000 x $3 = $3000 and it will be added to mother SIA share. So eventually youwill cost-average down to 2000 SIA mother share at $3.75/share.  But if you decided not to exercise the share rights after 28May, means your 1000 x $0.82 = $820 will be *poof*   Correct? newbieliu           ( Date: 15-May-2020 17:22) Posted:   I think it is cheaper to buy right shares then convert to mother shares if you are keen to own mother shares. Now it is still at a discount. since mother shares is way above the right shares. 0.82 + 3. = 3.82 but mother shares already 3.91   johnization           ( Date: 15-May-2020 17:14) Posted:   cool. this sounds like gambling since the trading of MCB will end next week. I guess it' s safer to buy mother shares and have my fingers crossed tightly... haha
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nngeeh Veteran	15-May-2020 18:29        nngeeh About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	If you observed the trading yesterday, after lunch, the selling faded. I think the shortists have already started covering since yesterday. If the share price reaches 4.4, majority would have already covered their position. It was pumped up to $5 before the shorting started all the way down to 3.70, and then, it stopped ... and they have already started covering since then.   TA_Expert      ( Date: 15-May-2020 17:47) Posted: If the price can go back to $4.40 after Thursday, it will be a shock to shortists. Acl2013      ( Date: 15-May-2020 17:39) Posted: The 4.4 it is the watershed as this is the day when announce the right issue balance price, let hold n watch.
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newbieliu Elite	15-May-2020 18:28        newbieliu About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	not surprised it bounce back strongly next week to entice more ppl to buy the right shares happily (esp if you already own the 2 right shares for every 3 mother shares you have before 6 May)?  In other words, mother shares HAVE to be supported by sgd 4 die die by 21 May else right shares will fall through since i can buy mother shares at cheaper price and no need to pay extra 3 dollars to own the mother shares (for those who are given the 2 free right shares). I hope it makes cents ?lol TA_Expert      ( Date: 15-May-2020 17:47) Posted: If the price can go back to $4.40 after Thursday, it will be a shock to shortists. Acl2013      ( Date: 15-May-2020 17:39) Posted: The 4.4 it is the watershed as this is the day when announce the right issue balance price, let hold n watch.
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newbieliu Elite	15-May-2020 18:23        newbieliu About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	huh... why am i wrong? if u buy right share now at 0.82 then convert it to mother by paying $3, then you also own the mother share using 3.82 but if you buy mother share it is higher at 3.91 . Hence isnt it making sense to buy right share to match with mother shares instead since it has a margin now. Caveat we are talking about if you dont own any SIA shares ( right or mother shares at first ) lol ConstantLearning      ( Date: 15-May-2020 18:14) Posted: Thanks! So if that' s the case statement from Newbieliu is not true. It should be: Mother share should be around $4 something (say $4.50) before 13May, and say you own 1000 SIA shares there. Rights share @ 0.82 is for trading betweem 13May - 21May only. After that the rights share amount (say 1000 rights shares) will have to be converted to mother share @ $3/share. So You need to pay 1000 x $3 = $3000 and it will be added to mother SIA share. So eventually youwill cost-average down to 2000 SIA mother share at $3.75/share.  But if you decided not to exercise the share rights after 28May, means your 1000 x $0.82 = $820 will be *poof*   Correct? newbieliu           ( Date: 15-May-2020 17:22) Posted:   I think it is cheaper to buy right shares then convert to mother shares if you are keen to own mother shares. Now it is still at a discount. since mother shares is way above the right shares. 0.82 + 3. = 3.82 but mother shares already 3.91   johnization           ( Date: 15-May-2020 17:14) Posted:   cool. this sounds like gambling since the trading of MCB will end next week. I guess it' s safer to buy mother shares and have my fingers crossed tightly... haha
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Starship Supreme	15-May-2020 18:20        Starship About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	johnization      ( Date: 15-May-2020 17:14) Posted: cool. this sounds like gambling since the trading of MCB will end next week. I guess it' s safer to buy mother shares and have my fingers crossed tightly... haha
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AhLiang Elite	15-May-2020 18:19        AhLiang About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	If you think it is going to drop when all new shares come in, no need to buy the main shares now, cash or CPF. I also think it will drop.
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Starship Supreme	15-May-2020 18:18        Starship About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	danger      ( Date: 15-May-2020 16:42) Posted: LOAD LOAD LOAD !
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newbieliu Elite	15-May-2020 18:17        newbieliu About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I think the dilution effect is already calculated when they " set" the TERP at 4.14 ? However, it is a matter of how you see they will support this company and defend with endless cash to ensure fund raising to proceed to raise capital. Else si bei pai seh that no one wanna suscribe the right shares .... One thing to clarify .... suscribing it by ATM means you are getting the right shares at $1? mmmm Does not make sense at all right ? lol DooDoo      ( Date: 15-May-2020 18:14) Posted: In my opinion, I may be wrong but... i think SIA net loss was about 700M+ for the quarter and the affected month was only March, So next quarter can potentially lose up to -$2B. And with share dillution all etc... hmm
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DooDoo Senior	15-May-2020 18:14        DooDoo About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	In my opinion, I may be wrong but... i think SIA net loss was about 700M+ for the quarter and the affected month was only March, So next quarter can potentially lose up to -$2B. And with share dillution all etc... hmm
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newbieliu Elite	15-May-2020 18:14        newbieliu About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	mmm 3-4 years is a high risk investment as it does not guarantee 100% return on your capital though... Where as it is usual for the right share to trail behind mother shares for such a huge margin one... correct me with some past examples of blue chips...  For penny stocks, we understand it should trail behind as anytime no one wanna suscribe when shortists keep attacking the mother shares until it is meaningless to suscribe the right shares..... when that happens, NO one will invest in SIA by suscribing to the right shares that start off at $1 and need retailers and investors to top up $3 to invest in the company.  Simply to say, buy on Monday if there is any dip since TH wont let this fund raising to fall LOL SinglePore      ( Date: 15-May-2020 18:07) Posted: You save money on brokerage if subscribe right shares at ATM. However, you need to wait until Jun 8 to sell the right shares. Between May 21 to Jun 7, if you don' t borrow shares to short (e.g. CFD), you can' t sell your shares when price rallies. On Jun 8, the price could be falling bcos so many people want to sell the right shares. That will create an overhang situation with 3x size of shares.  Therefore, why the main share now has premium by about 8 cents to the R + subscribed price of $3. If you have a lot of cash of CPF-OA, just buy the main share, forget it, keep it for several years. You are not going to regret what I said. SIA is the icon of Singapore. Whether SG is still under PAP or opposition, SG will never let SIA fail. Without SIA, there could be no Singapore. You must believe that, ok?  If not, you better fly to the moon. :-) With this fundraising, SIA now is becoming cash-rich bluechip and can weather any storm for some foreseeable future. Luckily SIA did that earlier when a lot of cash-rich investors still have money sitting at the sideline. If you have extra money or CPF-OA sitting idle, you may consider keeping SIA share for at least 3-4 years. Once the share overhang is over for a couple of years, SIA will fly again towards $9 or even higher.    The problem is everybody in this forum wants quick rally and treat SGX as the casino. Most of you don' t have patience and some may not have a deep pocket to keep stocks for so long. So what to do?  :-)  newbieliu      ( Date: 15-May-2020 17:22) Posted: I think it is cheaper to buy right shares then convert to mother shares if you are keen to own mother shares. Now it is still at a discount. since mother shares is way above the right shares. 0.82 + 3. = 3.82 but mother shares already 3.9
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ConstantLearning Member	15-May-2020 18:14        ConstantLearning About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Thanks! So if that' s the case statement from Newbieliu is not true. It should be: Mother share should be around $4 something (say $4.50) before 13May, and say you own 1000 SIA shares there. Rights share @ 0.82 is for trading betweem 13May - 21May only. After that the rights share amount (say 1000 rights shares) will have to be converted to mother share @ $3/share. So You need to pay 1000 x $3 = $3000 and it will be added to mother SIA share. So eventually youwill cost-average down to 2000 SIA mother share at $3.75/share.  But if you decided not to exercise the share rights after 28May, means your 1000 x $0.82 = $820 will be *poof*   Correct? newbieliu           ( Date: 15-May-2020 17:22) Posted:   I think it is cheaper to buy right shares then convert to mother shares if you are keen to own mother shares. Now it is still at a discount. since mother shares is way above the right shares. 0.82 + 3. = 3.82 but mother shares already 3.91   johnization           ( Date: 15-May-2020 17:14) Posted:   cool. this sounds like gambling since the trading of MCB will end next week. I guess it' s safer to buy mother shares and have my fingers crossed tightly... haha
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SinglePore Member	15-May-2020 18:07        SinglePore About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	You save money on brokerage if subscribe right shares at ATM. However, you need to wait until Jun 8 to sell the right shares. Between May 21 to Jun 7, if you don' t borrow shares to short (e.g. CFD), you can' t sell your shares when price rallies. On Jun 8, the price could be falling bcos so many people want to sell the right shares. That will create an overhang situation with 3x size of shares.  Therefore, why the main share now has premium by about 8 cents to the R + subscribed price of $3. If you have a lot of cash of CPF-OA, just buy the main share, forget it, keep it for several years. You are not going to regret what I said. SIA is the icon of Singapore. Whether SG is still under PAP or opposition, SG will never let SIA fail. Without SIA, there could be no Singapore. You must believe that, ok?  If not, you better fly to the moon. :-) With this fundraising, SIA now is becoming cash-rich bluechip and can weather any storm for some foreseeable future. Luckily SIA did that earlier when a lot of cash-rich investors still have money sitting at the sideline. If you have extra money or CPF-OA sitting idle, you may consider keeping SIA share for at least 3-4 years. Once the share overhang is over for a couple of years, SIA will fly again towards $9 or even higher.    The problem is everybody in this forum wants quick rally and treat SGX as the casino. Most of you don' t have patience and some may not have a deep pocket to keep stocks for so long. So what to do?  :-)  newbieliu      ( Date: 15-May-2020 17:22) Posted: I think it is cheaper to buy right shares then convert to mother shares if you are keen to own mother shares. Now it is still at a discount. since mother shares is way above the right shares. 0.82 + 3. = 3.82 but mother shares already 3.91 johnization      ( Date: 15-May-2020 17:14) Posted: cool. this sounds like gambling since the trading of MCB will end next week. I guess it' s safer to buy mother shares and have my fingers crossed tightly... haha
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AhLiang Elite	15-May-2020 18:01        AhLiang About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Be careful of MCB R. It can become zero buy on the last day. It is either you earn double or lose all.
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uiop1223 Supreme	15-May-2020 17:52        uiop1223 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Yes. It will just lapse ConstantLearning      ( Date: 15-May-2020 17:50) Posted: Guys, correct me if I' m wrong, IF I hold 1000,000 of shares of MCB R @ 0.001, and do not sell by 21 May, the $1000 wil just turn to dust right?  But I will not be forced to pay $1 per share to right? otherwise I will be forced to fork out $1M !
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LowLow12 Elite	15-May-2020 17:50        LowLow12 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Will go back $9 in 2023 Just buy and keep under pillow
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ConstantLearning Member	15-May-2020 17:50        ConstantLearning About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Guys, correct me if I' m wrong, IF I hold 1000,000 of shares of MCB R @ 0.001, and do not sell by 21 May, the $1000 wil just turn to dust right?  But I will not be forced to pay $1 per share to right? otherwise I will be forced to fork out $1M !
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TA_Expert Supreme	15-May-2020 17:47        TA_Expert About Contact  Quote this Post!   Yells: "The World has changed"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	If the price can go back to $4.40 after Thursday, it will be a shock to shortists. Acl2013      ( Date: 15-May-2020 17:39) Posted: The 4.4 it is the watershed as this is the day when announce the right issue balance price, let hold n watch. johnization      ( Date: 15-May-2020 16:47) Posted: will the share price reach 4.2?
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Acl2013 Veteran	15-May-2020 17:39        Acl2013 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	The 4.4 it is the watershed as this is the day when announce the right issue balance price, let hold n watch. johnization      ( Date: 15-May-2020 16:47) Posted: will the share price reach 4.2?
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