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Stockerman Member	14-May-2020 21:53        Stockerman About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Lau sai until blood come out... Due_Dilligence      ( Date: 14-May-2020 21:43) Posted: I asking for an opinion. What do you all think of the opening price for SIA shares tomorrow after the mouth-watering first net loss in its 48 years of flight.
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Due_Dilligence Veteran	14-May-2020 21:43        Due_Dilligence About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I asking for an opinion. What do you all think of the opening price for SIA shares tomorrow after the mouth-watering first net loss in its 48 years of flight.
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uiop1223 Supreme	14-May-2020 21:43        uiop1223 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Oh? So fast announce already? Im not aware.. haha DooDoo      ( Date: 14-May-2020 21:19) Posted: Er If i?m not mistaken April - June ard 2B+? uiop1223      ( Date: 14-May-2020 21:09) Posted: Not to forget, Q4 is not the whole covid impact. SIA shld be making money till mid Feb. Just Mar is the full mth impact if covid. SIA already guided flights will mostly remain grounded till June. Imagine the results from Apr to Jun 😎
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DooDoo Senior	14-May-2020 21:19        DooDoo About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Er If i?m not mistaken April - June ard 2B+? uiop1223      ( Date: 14-May-2020 21:09) Posted: Not to forget, Q4 is not the whole covid impact. SIA shld be making money till mid Feb. Just Mar is the full mth impact if covid. SIA already guided flights will mostly remain grounded till June. Imagine the results from Apr to Jun 😎 Wind22i      ( Date: 14-May-2020 21:04) Posted: So they lost in q4 around $700mil.. If covid drag to at least year end.. maybe the cash burn rate will be 700m a qtr .. so another 3 or 4 qtr easily $2 to 3 billion++
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uiop1223 Supreme	14-May-2020 21:09        uiop1223 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Not to forget, Q4 is not the whole covid impact. SIA shld be making money till mid Feb. Just Mar is the full mth impact if covid. SIA already guided flights will mostly remain grounded till June. Imagine the results from Apr to Jun 😎 Wind22i      ( Date: 14-May-2020 21:04) Posted: So they lost in q4 around $700mil.. If covid drag to at least year end.. maybe the cash burn rate will be 700m a qtr .. so another 3 or 4 qtr easily $2 to 3 billion++
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Wind22i Supreme	14-May-2020 21:04        Wind22i About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 1   x 0  Alert Admin	So they lost in q4 around $700mil.. If covid drag to at least year end.. maybe the cash burn rate will be 700m a qtr .. so another 3 or 4 qtr easily $2 to 3 billion++
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Surin888 Senior	14-May-2020 20:59        Surin888 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Looking at those countries are reopening like Korea and HK, now having a second-wave. The outlook is not promising at all as people will likely avoid traveling.    Agreed. Probably   it needs issue rights again. But who still has confidence to get the rights again.  josemmm123      ( Date: 14-May-2020 20:47) Posted: If SIA keep losing money for the next few quarters, Temasek has to issue rights again to save it ==> dilution to the shares again and price can even drop to $2? no?
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mrwise Supreme	14-May-2020 20:57        mrwise About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	This is the issue...keep expanding and spending money .....now facing  lack of money....so look for who?> The poor investor.... nngeeh      ( Date: 14-May-2020 20:22) Posted: This result show that it' s risky to own airline. Even with 48 years of profit, it can' t  handle 5 months of crisis (or  1/2 years if this crisis dragged on)  ..... and needing billions to support it. Starship      ( Date: 14-May-2020 19:47) Posted: Singapore Airlines posts first annual net loss in 48-year history after COVID-19 cripples demand 14 May 2020 06:11PM(Updated:  14 May 2020 07:30PM) SINGAPORE:  National carrier Singapore Airlines on Thursday (May 14) reported the first annual net loss in its 48-year history after COVID-19 crippled travel demand, saying that it has set up an internal task force to review its operations and to prepare for when air travel recovers. In a filing to the Singapore Exchange, SIA Group reported a net loss of S$212 million for the 12 months ending  Mar 31, a reversal from the S$683 million profit in the previous year. It lost  S$732 million in January to March this year. In comparison, it made S$203 million net profit in the same period last year. https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/business/singapore-airlines-sia-q4-full-year-results-covid-19-coronavirus-12732134
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nngeeh Veteran	14-May-2020 20:55        nngeeh About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Last quarter lost 803 million. Raising 8.8 billion ... which means its able to handle ard  8 quarters of similar loses. If the pandemic continue to disrupt the airline industry, we' ll see another rights exercise after 2 yrs.  Hopefully, this pandemic will go away after 1 yr josemmm123      ( Date: 14-May-2020 20:47) Posted: If SIA keep losing money for the next few quarters, Temasek has to issue rights again to save it ==> dilution to the shares again and price can even drop to $2? no?
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josemmm123 Master	14-May-2020 20:47        josemmm123 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	If SIA keep losing money for the next few quarters, Temasek has to issue rights again to save it ==> dilution to the shares again and price can even drop to $2? no?
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DooDoo Senior	14-May-2020 20:47        DooDoo About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	In my opinion, if i?m not mistaken... even WB sold all his Airline Shares. This is a pretty strong statement. I think Airline industry will suffer huge losses through the year and mabye carry foward into the next. If i?m not mistaken... I read somewhere that even if the go back to pre-covid where flights are at it best, earings per share will not be that good/return to normal due to share dillution. As always do your own due diligence. Your investment/money is your call. Make your own choice Happy trading folks
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gregtan123 Supreme	14-May-2020 20:36        gregtan123 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	As said before SIA is more Singtel than NOL. but even then not the best comparision. Damn though now i think the Rights buy today at 0.625/0.635 was a better buy than the MCB buy. I suspect MCB won' t go more than 0.002 or 0.003 haha TA_Expert      ( Date: 14-May-2020 20:26) Posted: Well said. SIA cannot be sold no matter how bad it becomes. We cannot link SIA with NOL, Charter Semi, etc. Those can be sold. gregtan123      ( Date: 14-May-2020 20:03) Posted: If SQ is up for grabs, there are investors. the Arabs and the Chinese will grab, to them money is free. But our G won' t allow for reasons many discussed before. But trust me SQ if u want to do a sale now at this price, u confirm have 4-5 biddersa. it is not just SQ, it is the air routes, the base in CAG/Singapore. PRetty similar to Hin Leong, their crowl jewel was the Terminal for the ships which Sinopec, the Chinese are buying. Such strategic assets bro, plenty of buyers. they dont see short or even medium term. You look the super shit Hyflux also got Arab Utico wanna buy. Bro these assets not for u or I to assess. the bigwigs want to buy. Issue is SG Govt not keen
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Wind22i Supreme	14-May-2020 20:36        Wind22i About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Well the fact is nobody interested except the gourment gregtan123      ( Date: 14-May-2020 20:03) Posted: If SQ is up for grabs, there are investors. the Arabs and the Chinese will grab, to them money is free. But our G won' t allow for reasons many discussed before. But trust me SQ if u want to do a sale now at this price, u confirm have 4-5 biddersa. it is not just SQ, it is the air routes, the base in CAG/Singapore. PRetty similar to Hin Leong, their crowl jewel was the Terminal for the ships which Sinopec, the Chinese are buying. Such strategic assets bro, plenty of buyers. they dont see short or even medium term. You look the super shit Hyflux also got Arab Utico wanna buy. Bro these assets not for u or I to assess. the bigwigs want to buy. Issue is SG Govt not keen. Wind22i      ( Date: 14-May-2020 19:58) Posted: I think they shld ask maybe the sultan of brunei or arab king to invest..instead of ownself bailout .. But maybe nobody wants it
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TA_Expert Supreme	14-May-2020 20:26        TA_Expert About Contact  Quote this Post!   Yells: "The World has changed"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Well said. SIA cannot be sold no matter how bad it becomes. We cannot link SIA with NOL, Charter Semi, etc. Those can be sold. gregtan123      ( Date: 14-May-2020 20:03) Posted: If SQ is up for grabs, there are investors. the Arabs and the Chinese will grab, to them money is free. But our G won' t allow for reasons many discussed before. But trust me SQ if u want to do a sale now at this price, u confirm have 4-5 biddersa. it is not just SQ, it is the air routes, the base in CAG/Singapore. PRetty similar to Hin Leong, their crowl jewel was the Terminal for the ships which Sinopec, the Chinese are buying. Such strategic assets bro, plenty of buyers. they dont see short or even medium term. You look the super shit Hyflux also got Arab Utico wanna buy. Bro these assets not for u or I to assess. the bigwigs want to buy. Issue is SG Govt not keen. Wind22i      ( Date: 14-May-2020 19:58) Posted: I think they shld ask maybe the sultan of brunei or arab king to invest..instead of ownself bailout .. But maybe nobody wants it
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nngeeh Veteran	14-May-2020 20:22        nngeeh About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	This result show that it' s risky to own airline. Even with 48 years of profit, it can' t  handle 5 months of crisis (or  1/2 years if this crisis dragged on)  ..... and needing billions to support it. Starship      ( Date: 14-May-2020 19:47) Posted: Singapore Airlines posts first annual net loss in 48-year history after COVID-19 cripples demand 14 May 2020 06:11PM(Updated:  14 May 2020 07:30PM) SINGAPORE:  National carrier Singapore Airlines on Thursday (May 14) reported the first annual net loss in its 48-year history after COVID-19 crippled travel demand, saying that it has set up an internal task force to review its operations and to prepare for when air travel recovers. In a filing to the Singapore Exchange, SIA Group reported a net loss of S$212 million for the 12 months ending  Mar 31, a reversal from the S$683 million profit in the previous year. It lost  S$732 million in January to March this year. In comparison, it made S$203 million net profit in the same period last year. https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/business/singapore-airlines-sia-q4-full-year-results-covid-19-coronavirus-12732134
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Sgvale Supreme	14-May-2020 20:14        Sgvale About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	SIA is in very bad shape (In ICU) but with ventilator (Temasek) supporting it. It will come alive again when the vaccine is found ( economy turns)
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lingua101 Veteran	14-May-2020 20:13        lingua101 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Hello, I recieved the mailer from SIA but there is no indication on how much rights I got. I have logged into my CDP acccount, and I can find out the number of rights.    But how about the shares that I bought using CPF?    Where I can find the information rather than just calculating it myself?    I need to know how much CPF funds I need to subsribe to the rights.    If I do not have, I need to sell right? If I decided to subscribe the rights.    For cash I can just do it at OCBC ATM right.  How about the CPF? Thanks in advance.   TA_Expert      ( Date: 14-May-2020 19:11) Posted: Based on the quantities, he has 500 existing SIA shares. With 2:3 ratio for rights, he is entitled 750 rights. With 295:100 ratio for MCB, he is entitled 1,475 MCB. Price of each right and MCB is $3 and $1 respectively. Using the above, he needs to pay $3 x 750 = $2,250  for the rights and $1 x 1,475 = $1,475 for the MCB. Do note that each instrument is independent of each other, i.e you can choose to only subscribe the rights and give up on the MCB, vice versa or subscribe both at the same time. teeck2u      ( Date: 14-May-2020 17:52) Posted: Can expert pls advise? I am also new to right subscription thus really appreciate your help
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gregtan123 Supreme	14-May-2020 20:03        gregtan123 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	If SQ is up for grabs, there are investors. the Arabs and the Chinese will grab, to them money is free. But our G won' t allow for reasons many discussed before. But trust me SQ if u want to do a sale now at this price, u confirm have 4-5 biddersa. it is not just SQ, it is the air routes, the base in CAG/Singapore. PRetty similar to Hin Leong, their crowl jewel was the Terminal for the ships which Sinopec, the Chinese are buying. Such strategic assets bro, plenty of buyers. they dont see short or even medium term. You look the super shit Hyflux also got Arab Utico wanna buy. Bro these assets not for u or I to assess. the bigwigs want to buy. Issue is SG Govt not keen. Wind22i      ( Date: 14-May-2020 19:58) Posted: I think they shld ask maybe the sultan of brunei or arab king to invest..instead of ownself bailout .. But maybe nobody wants it
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Wind22i Supreme	14-May-2020 19:58        Wind22i About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I think they shld ask maybe the sultan of brunei or arab king to invest..instead of ownself bailout .. But maybe nobody wants it
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TA_Expert Supreme	14-May-2020 19:55        TA_Expert About Contact  Quote this Post!   Yells: "The World has changed"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Going by your reasoning, who was the person who bought 1m MCB at 0.01 from that seller who bought at 0.001? Left to right pocket? SinglePore      ( Date: 14-May-2020 19:42) Posted: Yesterday someone bought 1 million SIA MCB R at the opening at $0.001 and sold them at $0.010 within a short time.  Once in his lifetime, he pocketed S$90k out of nothing.  He has enough cash to subscribe MCB, in case he has to hold R until 21 May.    But don' t expect this would happen again.  My thought is MCB R will be very hard to move in tandem with R or main share. I wish good luck for those bought at $0.002 and wish to cheong again to $0.019.  Bet within your ability to lose, in case this doesn' t happen, e.g. just put max $1k and if it doesn' t move up your lost is max $1k. Just forget about subscribing the MCB. If you go to a casino, you would easily lose that much too.  During COVID season, all casinos are closed. Fortunately, as the largest alternative " casino" , SGX is still opened for people to gamble. SGX is the only counter that cheong.  Welcome to the largest " casino" in Singapore.  :-)
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