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stockpicker Master	17-Apr-2019 13:09        stockpicker About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	The only difference is Herbelife' s China business contributed only about 25% of its total business on several products whereas Best World' s China business contributed about 60% based on one product.  Another difference is the market cap.  Herbelife US $ 7.8 bil and SG$ 1.03 bil bicycle      ( Date: 17-Apr-2019 10:30) Posted: Herbalife not only survive the shortseller, but climb to all time high in 2019 through its ups and downs. China have been immensely successful mkt for them. So I think somehow they find a way to prosper in China where everyone is eager to succeed.
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JarBinx Member	17-Apr-2019 12:32        JarBinx About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Not sure if the price run-up is due to: 1. Instis buying 2. Retail buying 3. Shorts getting burnt
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Battle123 Elite	17-Apr-2019 11:59        Battle123 About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Wanted to buy this before but my broker house cannot buy. Can check which broker house can buy tis
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Superkilat Elite	17-Apr-2019 11:43        Superkilat About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	How high can it be? The report looked serious concern.
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InvestSG Member	17-Apr-2019 11:24        InvestSG About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Looking real good   beng1102      ( Date: 17-Apr-2019 10:55) Posted: No fear!  Not selling.  Is now up 10%.  Someone sold at $1.63 yesterday and might be trying to chop off his fingers. SgYuan      ( Date: 17-Apr-2019 10:50) Posted: ew w0 163 w1 174 w2? w1 11 w2 7 tgt 167 dn 61.8% - px hit 167 uturn w3 18 tgt 183 up 161.8% - px hit 183 - once uturn w4 start w4 7 tgt 176 dn 38.2% w5 11 tgt 187 up 100
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beng1102 Elite	17-Apr-2019 10:55        beng1102 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	No fear!  Not selling.  Is now up 10%.  Someone sold at $1.63 yesterday and might be trying to chop off his fingers. SgYuan      ( Date: 17-Apr-2019 10:50) Posted: ew w0 163 w1 174 w2? w1 11 w2 7 tgt 167 dn 61.8% - px hit 167 uturn w3 18 tgt 183 up 161.8% - px hit 183 - once uturn w4 start w4 7 tgt 176 dn 38.2% w5 11 tgt 187 up 100% SgYuan      ( Date: 16-Apr-2019 11:07) Posted: w1 goes to 174 Now see the mini ew can hold it ew w0 163 w1 174 w2? w1 11 w2 7 tgt 167 dn 61.8% - px hit low 168 now - if px hit w0 163 cut it w3 18 tgt 183 up 161.8% w4 7 tgt 176 w5 11 tgt 187
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SgYuan Supreme	17-Apr-2019 10:50        SgYuan About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	ew w0 163 w1 174 w2? w1 11 w2 7 tgt 167 dn 61.8% - px hit 167 uturn w3 18 tgt 183 up 161.8% - px hit 183 - once uturn w4 start w4 7 tgt 176 dn 38.2% w5 11 tgt 187 up 100% SgYuan      ( Date: 16-Apr-2019 11:07) Posted: w1 goes to 174 Now see the mini ew can hold it ew w0 163 w1 174 w2? w1 11 w2 7 tgt 167 dn 61.8% - px hit low 168 now - if px hit w0 163 cut it w3 18 tgt 183 up 161.8% w4 7 tgt 176 w5 11 tgt 187 SgYuan      ( Date: 16-Apr-2019 09:33) Posted: Now see the mini ew can hold it ew w0 163 w1 172 w2? w1 9 w2 6 tgt 166 dn 61.8% - if px hit w0 163 cut it w3 15 tgt 181 up 161.8% w4 6 tgt 175 w5 9 tgt 184
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1035834 Senior	17-Apr-2019 10:48        1035834 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Can call to ask as it is really quite late for this year . but it also possible they want to release with the PwC investigate report together with AR and resulted the delay .  like2learn      ( Date: 16-Apr-2019 23:41) Posted: I am starting to get worried why their AR is still not out .... the agm shd be 30 Apr which is barely 2 wks away.  I wld think most other Co already have issued AR by now. BW has no reasons to delay notice of agm unless something drastic happened.
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beng1102 Elite	17-Apr-2019 10:33        beng1102 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	There is no simple answer.  Only can say that they failed because of mis-information and dis-information of their product and prone to crack down by authority.  Many Ang Moh businesses failed in China and is almost always due to lack of  sincerity and faith.    没 有 诚 意 ， 没 有 信 念 。 stockpicker      ( Date: 17-Apr-2019 08:52) Posted: Like to ask a question.. if franchising model works,  why it does not work for Avon and Amway?  Avon and Amway even tried both,  having their own branches plus franchisees.  Amway also brought in its own door to door team.  Avon now has to pull out from China and Amway is half dead in China.    These two companies used all sort to tactics including bribring the officers..Does it work? beng1102      ( Date: 16-Apr-2019 21:20) Posted: Yes!  Very good business model.    Despite of opening gap down today the closing price managed to close higher than the opening price.  Technically this is a good sign at least for now.  No fear just buy, just look at the free cash balance and almost zero debt and that is enough to give confidence
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bicycle Member	17-Apr-2019 10:30        bicycle About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Herbalife not only survive the shortseller, but climb to all time high in 2019 through its ups and downs. China have been immensely successful mkt for them. So I think somehow they find a way to prosper in China where everyone is eager to succeed.
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1035834 Senior	17-Apr-2019 10:15        1035834 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	More restrictions to do direct selling in China , franchise is easier model to go in China market . Amway Got huge capital to play around with China Govt but bwl got little bullet , this model allow them   to have greater control but less risk. stockpicker      ( Date: 17-Apr-2019 08:52) Posted: Like to ask a question.. if franchising model works,  why it does not work for Avon and Amway?  Avon and Amway even tried both,  having their own branches plus franchisees.  Amway also brought in its own door to door team.  Avon now has to pull out from China and Amway is half dead in China.    These two companies used all sort to tactics including bribring the officers..Does it work? beng1102      ( Date: 16-Apr-2019 21:20) Posted: Yes!  Very good business model.    Despite of opening gap down today the closing price managed to close higher than the opening price.  Technically this is a good sign at least for now.  No fear just buy, just look at the free cash balance and almost zero debt and that is enough to give confidence
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gametheory99 Member	17-Apr-2019 10:06        gametheory99 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	See my other post below... about mark to market vs franchise   Sin_Cos_Tan      ( Date: 17-Apr-2019 10:04) Posted: Noble last time also had shares buy back   gametheory99      ( Date: 17-Apr-2019 09:52) Posted: Agree. No comparison at all with noble accounting. That one used mark to market. This one is franchise model. Those selling don' t know accounting. Even directors each buying back $100,000 worth of shares each. Company share buyback - shows they have money to
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Sin_Cos_Tan Veteran	17-Apr-2019 10:04        Sin_Cos_Tan About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Noble last time also had shares buy back   gametheory99      ( Date: 17-Apr-2019 09:52) Posted: Agree. No comparison at all with noble accounting. That one used mark to market. This one is franchise model. Those selling don' t know accounting. Even directors each buying back $100,000 worth of shares each. Company share buyback - shows they have money too beng1102      ( Date: 17-Apr-2019 09:36) Posted: No fear.  Not selling until it hit about $2.35.  I think any good news would cause a short squeeze and panic buy
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gametheory99 Member	17-Apr-2019 10:03        gametheory99 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Yup. People get scared, they dump. Those who understand the model, they collect. Simple. JarBinx      ( Date: 17-Apr-2019 09:56) Posted: Not just franchise model.. its also selling consumer products. Easy to understand, easy to see gametheory99      ( Date: 17-Apr-2019 09:52) Posted: Agree. No comparison at all with noble accounting. That one used mark to market. This one is franchise model. Those selling don' t know accounting. Even directors each buying back $100,000 worth of shares each. Company share buyback - shows they have money to
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JarBinx Member	17-Apr-2019 10:03        JarBinx About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Best part is.. Best World never share buyback yesterday Sen9999      ( Date: 17-Apr-2019 09:16) Posted: Seems like a good run up this morning, BB entering? Space of 500lots in few sec run up Sin_Cos_Tan      ( Date: 17-Apr-2019 09:09) Posted: Good cashflow ? Pay dividend? Bear in mnd that their Net Assest Value  (NAV) per share is barely30 cents! How much they can pay?
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JarBinx Member	17-Apr-2019 09:56        JarBinx About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Not just franchise model.. its also selling consumer products. Easy to understand, easy to see gametheory99      ( Date: 17-Apr-2019 09:52) Posted: Agree. No comparison at all with noble accounting. That one used mark to market. This one is franchise model. Those selling don' t know accounting. Even directors each buying back $100,000 worth of shares each. Company share buyback - shows they have money too beng1102      ( Date: 17-Apr-2019 09:36) Posted: No fear.  Not selling until it hit about $2.35.  I think any good news would cause a short squeeze and panic buy
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gametheory99 Member	17-Apr-2019 09:52        gametheory99 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Agree. No comparison at all with noble accounting. That one used mark to market. This one is franchise model. Those selling don' t know accounting. Even directors each buying back $100,000 worth of shares each. Company share buyback - shows they have money too beng1102      ( Date: 17-Apr-2019 09:36) Posted: No fear.  Not selling until it hit about $2.35.  I think any good news would cause a short squeeze and panic buy. gametheory99      ( Date: 17-Apr-2019 09:27) Posted: Yes and a lot of shares have been shorted. Will not be surprised to see a run up to $2 soo
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beng1102 Elite	17-Apr-2019 09:36        beng1102 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	No fear.  Not selling until it hit about $2.35.  I think any good news would cause a short squeeze and panic buy. gametheory99      ( Date: 17-Apr-2019 09:27) Posted: Yes and a lot of shares have been shorted. Will not be surprised to see a run up to $2 soon Sen9999      ( Date: 17-Apr-2019 09:26) Posted: --- Post Removed by User ---
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gametheory99 Member	17-Apr-2019 09:27        gametheory99 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Yes and a lot of shares have been shorted. Will not be surprised to see a run up to $2 soon Sen9999      ( Date: 17-Apr-2019 09:26) Posted: --- Post Removed by User ---
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kerier Veteran	17-Apr-2019 09:20        kerier About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Founded in 1992, Infinitus mainly develops health products using Chinese herbal medicines. It has 30 branch companies and more than 7,000 franchised stores across the country, according to its website. The World (China) Direct Selling Research Centre  said Infinitus' sales reached 24.9 billion yuan in 2017, making it one of the country' s biggest direct-selling enterprises. What works for some may not work for others. Its up to the company' s management and strategy.  stockpicker      ( Date: 17-Apr-2019 08:52) Posted: Like to ask a question.. if franchising model works,  why it does not work for Avon and Amway?  Avon and Amway even tried both,  having their own branches plus franchisees.  Amway also brought in its own door to door team.  Avon now has to pull out from China and Amway is half dead in China.    These two companies used all sort to tactics including bribring the officers..Does it work? beng1102      ( Date: 16-Apr-2019 21:20) Posted: Yes!  Very good business model.    Despite of opening gap down today the closing price managed to close higher than the opening price.  Technically this is a good sign at least for now.  No fear just buy, just look at the free cash balance and almost zero debt and that is enough to give confidence
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