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gametheory99 Member	17-Apr-2019 09:18        gametheory99 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Seems like it. Flushing out weak holders. Sen9999      ( Date: 17-Apr-2019 09:16) Posted: Seems like a good run up this morning, BB entering? Space of 500lots in few sec run up Sin_Cos_Tan      ( Date: 17-Apr-2019 09:09) Posted: Good cashflow ? Pay dividend? Bear in mnd that their Net Assest Value  (NAV) per share is barely30 cents! How much they can pay?
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Sen9999 Member	17-Apr-2019 09:16        Sen9999 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Seems like a good run up this morning, BB entering? Space of 500lots in few sec run up Sin_Cos_Tan      ( Date: 17-Apr-2019 09:09) Posted: Good cashflow ? Pay dividend? Bear in mnd that their Net Assest Value  (NAV) per share is barely30 cents! How much they can pay?? Goldfinger      ( Date: 14-Apr-2019 17:56) Posted: Maybe the only way to save this stock is to pay out a 20 cent dividend
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JarBinx Member	17-Apr-2019 09:14        JarBinx About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	If their NAV (asset base) is low, but earnings and margins are high, that means the assets are very efficient. Go look at their ROE. Sin_Cos_Tan      ( Date: 17-Apr-2019 09:09) Posted: Good cashflow ? Pay dividend? Bear in mnd that their Net Assest Value  (NAV) per share is barely30 cents! How much they can pay?? Goldfinger      ( Date: 14-Apr-2019 17:56) Posted: Maybe the only way to save this stock is to pay out a 20 cent dividend
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Sin_Cos_Tan Veteran	17-Apr-2019 09:09        Sin_Cos_Tan About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Good cashflow ? Pay dividend? Bear in mnd that their Net Assest Value  (NAV) per share is barely30 cents! How much they can pay?? Goldfinger      ( Date: 14-Apr-2019 17:56) Posted: Maybe the only way to save this stock is to pay out a 20 cent dividend
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stockpicker Master	17-Apr-2019 08:52        stockpicker About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Like to ask a question.. if franchising model works,  why it does not work for Avon and Amway?  Avon and Amway even tried both,  having their own branches plus franchisees.  Amway also brought in its own door to door team.  Avon now has to pull out from China and Amway is half dead in China.    These two companies used all sort to tactics including bribring the officers..Does it work? beng1102      ( Date: 16-Apr-2019 21:20) Posted: Yes!  Very good business model.    Despite of opening gap down today the closing price managed to close higher than the opening price.  Technically this is a good sign at least for now.  No fear just buy, just look at the free cash balance and almost zero debt and that is enough to give confidence. 1035834      ( Date: 16-Apr-2019 21:11) Posted: The business model BWL   adopt in china is franchising and not direct selling which more similar to McDonald&rsquo s type of selling , they controlling the products quality and marketing job , and the franchisee just focus in selling products. Other than China market , they use direct selling model . This is very smart move as compare to using export method, as export agents most of time just focus on profits and not willing spent more to do advertising, I foresee a robust growth in next few years for their business .
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msksmsks Supreme	17-Apr-2019 08:40        msksmsks About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	spreading FUD    ?? instituitions are not saint.....they also looking for wind direction to steer their course juz like retails too. the fundamentals of the Co won' t change overnight.....in fact there are some merits to look at " 1) whether the biz had a growth story  :  Yes 2) are they generating positive cash flow (not depleting while expanding)    : Yes 3) are they giving dividends (in fact increasing)  : Yes the funds wl look into all these while assessing whether a biz model is sustainable for them to invest..    i' m inclined that the Co wl achieve greater heights .  only time wl time.  vested cheers    desmodeus      ( Date: 16-Apr-2019 21:43) Posted: Institutions sell, retail buy. Just mention of iceberg whether got substance or not, run first.
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like2learn Veteran	16-Apr-2019 23:41        like2learn About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I am starting to get worried why their AR is still not out .... the agm shd be 30 Apr which is barely 2 wks away.  I wld think most other Co already have issued AR by now. BW has no reasons to delay notice of agm unless something drastic happened.
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InvestSG Member	16-Apr-2019 23:25        InvestSG About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Another reason why BW' s franchise model in China will work is due to their millennials. The chinese millennial generation  is different. They believe that everything is possible if they make efforts. They also want to try new avenues they are still young. Globalization has brought many new things in China which the millennials choose to adapt. Moreover, the growing number of Chinese people making international travel has contributed to change Chinese consumers& rsquo desire/taste and the landscape of China& rsquo s market. The icing on the cake, imo, is that china is becoming completely digitalized with networking driving it. And a new brand or product can be spread very fast.  1035834      ( Date: 16-Apr-2019 21:11) Posted: The business model BWL   adopt in china is franchising and not direct selling which more similar to McDonald&rsquo s type of selling , they controlling the products quality and marketing job , and the franchisee just focus in selling products. Other than China market , they use direct selling model . This is very smart move as compare to using export method, as export agents most of time just focus on profits and not willing spent more to do advertising, I foresee a robust growth in next few years for their business .  stockpicker      ( Date: 16-Apr-2019 14:17) Posted: it is tough doing direct selling in China.    Avon Products found this out over the last 28 years since it set its foot in China in 1990. Avon was the first Direct Selling company and has been picked to be the model company while the Authorities were drafting the regulations to control direct selling business in China.. Today,  Avon has totally pulled out of the Chinese market as it no longer able to to substain the losses around hundreds of millions per year and raked up about US1.8 bilion of losses.  Their share has dropped from the peak of $46 in 2004  to the present level of $2.80.    They have just been slapped with a fine of $135 mil by US' s DOJ for bribing the Chinese Officers in order to stay in business.  This believe to be their dead straw. https://www.breakingviews.com/considered-view/avon-exposes-ugly-side-of-doing-business-in-china/ It would appear that doing direct selling in a proper way would  go nowhere.. going the wrong way can earn a living but how long this kind of business can continue is anyone' s guess.     Hope one can learn from Avon' s failure and be smart to invest wisely.  Anyway,  China is a big market full of opportunities.    Undersstand the new owner of Avon is thinking about going back to China.     Good luck everyone.
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desmodeus Veteran	16-Apr-2019 21:43        desmodeus About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Institutions sell, retail buy. Just mention of iceberg whether got substance or not, run first.
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Nokita Senior	16-Apr-2019 21:39        Nokita About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Icerberg no report . Just cucuk behind the scene by getting BT to help bring down stock. Goldfinger      ( Date: 16-Apr-2019 17:57) Posted: Anyone has a link to any Iceberg report on BW?  Keen to read if there is one.... msksmsks      ( Date: 16-Apr-2019 16:47) Posted: The price had been in steep decline and almost 50%  fm its recent high in feb till current lvl after the BT write up and recently fm Icerberg. IMHO, the biz is profitable and they' re giving out more dividends which is commendable... Despite being in doubt of their biz model by some parties,  one need to adapt to ever changes to biz ennvironement/challenges when needed which Best Wrold is receptive and working on it. .  What matters most is whether their product is selling well..... The directors had been buying their shares recently  and coupled with Co share buy bk too at much higher prices..... Technically, it' s oversold and possibly  poised for some recovery looking at historical records. I see value and opportunity arising fm this recent carnage. Cheers
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beng1102 Elite	16-Apr-2019 21:20        beng1102 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Yes!  Very good business model.    Despite of opening gap down today the closing price managed to close higher than the opening price.  Technically this is a good sign at least for now.  No fear just buy, just look at the free cash balance and almost zero debt and that is enough to give confidence. 1035834      ( Date: 16-Apr-2019 21:11) Posted: The business model BWL   adopt in china is franchising and not direct selling which more similar to McDonald&rsquo s type of selling , they controlling the products quality and marketing job , and the franchisee just focus in selling products. Other than China market , they use direct selling model . This is very smart move as compare to using export method, as export agents most of time just focus on profits and not willing spent more to do advertising, I foresee a robust growth in next few years for their business .  stockpicker      ( Date: 16-Apr-2019 14:17) Posted: it is tough doing direct selling in China.    Avon Products found this out over the last 28 years since it set its foot in China in 1990. Avon was the first Direct Selling company and has been picked to be the model company while the Authorities were drafting the regulations to control direct selling business in China.. Today,  Avon has totally pulled out of the Chinese market as it no longer able to to substain the losses around hundreds of millions per year and raked up about US1.8 bilion of losses.  Their share has dropped from the peak of $46 in 2004  to the present level of $2.80.    They have just been slapped with a fine of $135 mil by US' s DOJ for bribing the Chinese Officers in order to stay in business.  This believe to be their dead straw. https://www.breakingviews.com/considered-view/avon-exposes-ugly-side-of-doing-business-in-china/ It would appear that doing direct selling in a proper way would  go nowhere.. going the wrong way can earn a living but how long this kind of business can continue is anyone' s guess.     Hope one can learn from Avon' s failure and be smart to invest wisely.  Anyway,  China is a big market full of opportunities.    Undersstand the new owner of Avon is thinking about going back to China.     Good luck everyone.
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1035834 Senior	16-Apr-2019 21:11        1035834 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	The business model BWL   adopt in china is franchising and not direct selling which more similar to McDonald&rsquo s type of selling , they controlling the products quality and marketing job , and the franchisee just focus in selling products. Other than China market , they use direct selling model . This is very smart move as compare to using export method, as export agents most of time just focus on profits and not willing spent more to do advertising, I foresee a robust growth in next few years for their business .  stockpicker      ( Date: 16-Apr-2019 14:17) Posted: it is tough doing direct selling in China.    Avon Products found this out over the last 28 years since it set its foot in China in 1990. Avon was the first Direct Selling company and has been picked to be the model company while the Authorities were drafting the regulations to control direct selling business in China.. Today,  Avon has totally pulled out of the Chinese market as it no longer able to to substain the losses around hundreds of millions per year and raked up about US1.8 bilion of losses.  Their share has dropped from the peak of $46 in 2004  to the present level of $2.80.    They have just been slapped with a fine of $135 mil by US' s DOJ for bribing the Chinese Officers in order to stay in business.  This believe to be their dead straw. https://www.breakingviews.com/considered-view/avon-exposes-ugly-side-of-doing-business-in-china/ It would appear that doing direct selling in a proper way would  go nowhere.. going the wrong way can earn a living but how long this kind of business can continue is anyone' s guess.     Hope one can learn from Avon' s failure and be smart to invest wisely.  Anyway,  China is a big market full of opportunities.    Undersstand the new owner of Avon is thinking about going back to China.     Good luck everyone.. sbscap      ( Date: 16-Apr-2019 13:35) Posted: I' m sure there are those who disagree with me or don' t like my comments. I' m sorry for people who lost money but the issues that drove the price down started much earlier with the BT article having the biggest impact so far. The key issues seem to surround BW' s biz model. TA and FA mean little if BW' s biz model is questionable or not sustainable. Herbalife in the US is an example where even a big short seller couldn' t crash a supposedly fraudulant company. So it is difficult to say fundaments and the share price can agree. Good luck to those trading. I would personally stay out.
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msksmsks Supreme	16-Apr-2019 18:21        msksmsks About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Quoted  fm their recent result announcement: " Management expects stronger performance for FY2019"     What does it mean ? yr guess is as good as mine  BTW, they wl be having their international convention in Sydney on May15.    Letz see whether price wl inch higher prior to the event or result annoucement. Cheers JarBinx      ( Date: 16-Apr-2019 15:43) Posted: thanks - good luck 1Q results out 14 May if I' m not wrong, hoping for positive news positivity88      ( Date: 16-Apr-2019 15:35) Posted: on a side note another theory is that they will benefit more if they let it go up they can just queue to sell as people will buy in for rebounds. that is if they are selling the stock and not shorting.. if it goes down somemore then i view it as pure shorting and pressuring of prices.. which one day will burst.. you cant pressure all the way unless you know that a negative news is coming out and there will be a big gap for you to cover
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JarBinx Member	16-Apr-2019 18:12        JarBinx About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	As far as I know, it' s just their Twitter:  https://twitter.com/icebergresear?lang=en Goldfinger      ( Date: 16-Apr-2019 17:57) Posted: Anyone has a link to any Iceberg report on BW?  Keen to read if there is one.... msksmsks      ( Date: 16-Apr-2019 16:47) Posted: The price had been in steep decline and almost 50%  fm its recent high in feb till current lvl after the BT write up and recently fm Icerberg. IMHO, the biz is profitable and they' re giving out more dividends which is commendable... Despite being in doubt of their biz model by some parties,  one need to adapt to ever changes to biz ennvironement/challenges when needed which Best Wrold is receptive and working on it. .  What matters most is whether their product is selling well..... The directors had been buying their shares recently  and coupled with Co share buy bk too at much higher prices..... Technically, it' s oversold and possibly  poised for some recovery looking at historical records. I see value and opportunity arising fm this recent carnage. Cheers
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Goldfinger Supreme	16-Apr-2019 17:57        Goldfinger About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Anyone has a link to any Iceberg report on BW?  Keen to read if there is one.... msksmsks      ( Date: 16-Apr-2019 16:47) Posted: The price had been in steep decline and almost 50%  fm its recent high in feb till current lvl after the BT write up and recently fm Icerberg. IMHO, the biz is profitable and they' re giving out more dividends which is commendable... Despite being in doubt of their biz model by some parties,  one need to adapt to ever changes to biz ennvironement/challenges when needed which Best Wrold is receptive and working on it. .  What matters most is whether their product is selling well..... The directors had been buying their shares recently  and coupled with Co share buy bk too at much higher prices..... Technically, it' s oversold and possibly  poised for some recovery looking at historical records. I see value and opportunity arising fm this recent carnage. Cheers
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msksmsks Supreme	16-Apr-2019 17:42        msksmsks About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	there are not much scripts available for shorting except bring out your own scripts to sell down and profit fm selling high and buying low .  or simply naked short taking the fear factor and cover bk intra day. i juz encountered some angmoh selling today ....typical 趁 你 病 ， 拿 你 命 。     anyway, it' s oversold and risk reward commensurates when price had decline ard 50%....at least we know we' re buying cheaper than the Co and their directors after their recent share buy bk.    cheers  kerier      ( Date: 16-Apr-2019 17:25) Posted: thought all along ang mo funds selling? this one is hard to tell...  msksmsks      ( Date: 16-Apr-2019 16:57) Posted: some ang moh are selling...... when that happens, it' s almost the tailend selling . especially it' s oversold.... awaiting for some recovery  cheers
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kerier Veteran	16-Apr-2019 17:25        kerier About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	thought all along ang mo funds selling? this one is hard to tell...  msksmsks      ( Date: 16-Apr-2019 16:57) Posted: some ang moh are selling...... when that happens, it' s almost the tailend selling . especially it' s oversold.... awaiting for some recovery  cheers   positivity88      ( Date: 16-Apr-2019 16:00) Posted: pressure down again.. wait another day
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msksmsks Supreme	16-Apr-2019 16:57        msksmsks About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	some ang moh are selling...... when that happens, it' s almost the tailend selling . especially it' s oversold.... awaiting for some recovery  cheers   positivity88      ( Date: 16-Apr-2019 16:00) Posted: pressure down again.. wait another day
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msksmsks Supreme	16-Apr-2019 16:47        msksmsks About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	The price had been in steep decline and almost 50%  fm its recent high in feb till current lvl after the BT write up and recently fm Icerberg. IMHO, the biz is profitable and they' re giving out more dividends which is commendable... Despite being in doubt of their biz model by some parties,  one need to adapt to ever changes to biz ennvironement/challenges when needed which Best Wrold is receptive and working on it. .  What matters most is whether their product is selling well..... The directors had been buying their shares recently  and coupled with Co share buy bk too at much higher prices..... Technically, it' s oversold and possibly  poised for some recovery looking at historical records. I see value and opportunity arising fm this recent carnage. Cheers
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positivity88 Veteran	16-Apr-2019 16:00        positivity88 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	pressure down again.. wait another day
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