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lukewong82 Master	05-Apr-2019 18:37        lukewong82 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	They have to incur expenses changing from Cable to fibre right? details i not too sure cos never research on starhub. Maybe I do that during weekend Belteshazzar      ( Date: 05-Apr-2019 17:56) Posted: Bz with cable to fibre conversion. KAMAL0883      ( Date: 05-Apr-2019 17:53) Posted: recently sign up their home broadband manage to make an appointment only after 12 days... seem like business quite booming le
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lifeisgood Supreme	05-Apr-2019 17:57        lifeisgood About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I think like what you say zero dividend for next 3 years might work. Except punters will take the opportunity to short down the share. No, I can' t isse rights for sh. Edward2      ( Date: 05-Apr-2019 16:26) Posted: Can give zero dividend for three year like semborp then got 600million cash easily No need right issue. U can issue right for sh . lifeisgood      ( Date: 05-Apr-2019 15:12) Posted: If Starhub raises fund via placement or rights issue, it will help pare down its $ billion debt. This will greatly help reduce interest expenses and increase profitability.
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Belteshazzar Master	05-Apr-2019 17:56        Belteshazzar About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Bz with cable to fibre conversion. KAMAL0883      ( Date: 05-Apr-2019 17:53) Posted: recently sign up their home broadband manage to make an appointment only after 12 days... seem like business quite booming leh lukewong82      ( Date: 05-Apr-2019 17:38) Posted: ya losses quite unlikely.. but any worsening of profit may send the share price down to $1.4x i think.. Or any improvement in profit may also send the share price up to $1.6x ... So buying this counter is like  playing tikam... betting " big" or " small" ... haha... maybe will make a bet if the share price drop to say $1.45 region.. I' m also an ex starhub customer..
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KAMAL0883 Supreme	05-Apr-2019 17:53        KAMAL0883 About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	recently sign up their home broadband manage to make an appointment only after 12 days... seem like business quite booming leh lukewong82      ( Date: 05-Apr-2019 17:38) Posted: ya losses quite unlikely.. but any worsening of profit may send the share price down to $1.4x i think.. Or any improvement in profit may also send the share price up to $1.6x ... So buying this counter is like  playing tikam... betting " big" or " small" ... haha... maybe will make a bet if the share price drop to say $1.45 region.. I' m also an ex starhub customer..   Qanghoo      ( Date: 05-Apr-2019 16:24) Posted: Frankly, I doubt that they will make a loss.  They are still guiding for a div payout that' d be the envy of many other coys.  Highly unlikely they' d do that if they figure there are reasonable chances of a loss.  But I believe that given the heightened competition, a lower profit is a high possibility, n that wld more than likely send the shares into further compression mode.  Will it be 1.20?  My personal pessimism hasn' t reached that level.  I think may be ard 1.40 if profits drop further.  But don' t rule out their efforts at arresting profitability decline though.  Just to share that personally, I' m no friend of Starhub' s.  I' ve given up on them as a customer.
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KAMAL0883 Supreme	05-Apr-2019 17:38        KAMAL0883 About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	not to be a minor holder mean they want to be StarHub' s main holder with control more than 51 %  Belteshazzar      ( Date: 05-Apr-2019 17:09) Posted: That dollar in Singapore, it's better that we use it somewhere else where there's growth that's even better for shareholders," he added, referring to Axiata's plans to expand operations in other markets across the region, including Indonesia, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh. Axiata is planning about RM6.8 billion (S$2.3 billion) of capital expenditure this year, with the M1 disposal adding RM1.65 billion to its cash holdings of RM5.1 billion. Mr Jamaludin also raised the point that while Axiata, which is controlled by the Malaysian government, "liked the investment" in M1, which had given average annual yields of 7 per cent, the conglomerate preferred not to be a minority holder in a privatised company. KAMAL0883      ( Date: 05-Apr-2019 16:33) Posted: just heard friend from Malaysia saying Axiata Telco interested in StarHub since they have gained few hundred millions from M1 not sure how true //////
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lukewong82 Master	05-Apr-2019 17:38        lukewong82 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	ya losses quite unlikely.. but any worsening of profit may send the share price down to $1.4x i think.. Or any improvement in profit may also send the share price up to $1.6x ... So buying this counter is like  playing tikam... betting " big" or " small" ... haha... maybe will make a bet if the share price drop to say $1.45 region.. I' m also an ex starhub customer..   Qanghoo      ( Date: 05-Apr-2019 16:24) Posted: Frankly, I doubt that they will make a loss.  They are still guiding for a div payout that' d be the envy of many other coys.  Highly unlikely they' d do that if they figure there are reasonable chances of a loss.  But I believe that given the heightened competition, a lower profit is a high possibility, n that wld more than likely send the shares into further compression mode.  Will it be 1.20?  My personal pessimism hasn' t reached that level.  I think may be ard 1.40 if profits drop further.  But don' t rule out their efforts at arresting profitability decline though.  Just to share that personally, I' m no friend of Starhub' s.  I' ve given up on them as a customer.  lukewong82      ( Date: 05-Apr-2019 14:52) Posted: As u mentioned, future is unknown, including the coming Q. I think of it this way.. next Q improve = Huat, share price back to 1.6+ or higher next  Q worsen or even making loss = die. share price tank to 1.2+ or lowe So is like playing big/small or red/black roulette in casino leh.
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Belteshazzar Master	05-Apr-2019 17:09        Belteshazzar About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	That dollar in Singapore, it's better that we use it somewhere else where there's growth that's even better for shareholders," he added, referring to Axiata's plans to expand operations in other markets across the region, including Indonesia, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh. Axiata is planning about RM6.8 billion (S$2.3 billion) of capital expenditure this year, with the M1 disposal adding RM1.65 billion to its cash holdings of RM5.1 billion. Mr Jamaludin also raised the point that while Axiata, which is controlled by the Malaysian government, "liked the investment" in M1, which had given average annual yields of 7 per cent, the conglomerate preferred not to be a minority holder in a privatised company. KAMAL0883      ( Date: 05-Apr-2019 16:33) Posted: just heard friend from Malaysia saying Axiata Telco interested in StarHub since they have gained few hundred millions from M1 not sure how true //////
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KAMAL0883 Supreme	05-Apr-2019 16:43        KAMAL0883 About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	earlier Axiata williing to offer M1 at around $2.20 then they failed probably Kep blocked the trade now if they can pay StarHub for 1.80 to 2.00 i believe they will be very keen and happy still dun understand how come StarHub current price lower than M1 almost 30% ?? Qanghoo      ( Date: 05-Apr-2019 16:37) Posted: Thx, I' ll watch out.  DYODD as always though.  KAMAL0883      ( Date: 05-Apr-2019 16:33) Posted: just heard friend from Malaysia saying Axiata Telco interested in StarHub since they have gained few hundred millions from M1 not sure how true //////
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Qanghoo Supreme	05-Apr-2019 16:37        Qanghoo About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Thx, I' ll watch out.  DYODD as always though.  KAMAL0883      ( Date: 05-Apr-2019 16:33) Posted: just heard friend from Malaysia saying Axiata Telco interested in StarHub since they have gained few hundred millions from M1 not sure how true //////
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KAMAL0883 Supreme	05-Apr-2019 16:33        KAMAL0883 About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	just heard friend from Malaysia saying Axiata Telco interested in StarHub since they have gained few hundred millions from M1 not sure how true //////
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Edward2 Senior	05-Apr-2019 16:26        Edward2 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Can give zero dividend for three year like semborp then got 600million cash easily No need right issue. U can issue right for sh . lifeisgood      ( Date: 05-Apr-2019 15:12) Posted: If Starhub raises fund via placement or rights issue, it will help pare down its $ billion debt. This will greatly help reduce interest expenses and increase profitability.
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Qanghoo Supreme	05-Apr-2019 16:24        Qanghoo About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 1   x 0  Alert Admin	Frankly, I doubt that they will make a loss.  They are still guiding for a div payout that' d be the envy of many other coys.  Highly unlikely they' d do that if they figure there are reasonable chances of a loss.  But I believe that given the heightened competition, a lower profit is a high possibility, n that wld more than likely send the shares into further compression mode.  Will it be 1.20?  My personal pessimism hasn' t reached that level.  I think may be ard 1.40 if profits drop further.  But don' t rule out their efforts at arresting profitability decline though.  Just to share that personally, I' m no friend of Starhub' s.  I' ve given up on them as a customer.  lukewong82      ( Date: 05-Apr-2019 14:52) Posted: As u mentioned, future is unknown, including the coming Q. I think of it this way.. next Q improve = Huat, share price back to 1.6+ or higher next  Q worsen or even making loss = die. share price tank to 1.2+ or lowe So is like playing big/small or red/black roulette in casino leh.. runaway      ( Date: 05-Apr-2019 14:45) Posted: Historical numbers are past tense, history. It is known and everyone can read. Future is unknown, including the coming Q and year. Telco service is a necessity, it is an evergreen business. At $1.50, the share has factored in all the known negatives and historical numbers. It is a good buy at this price, dont miss. I bought liao and am still buying.
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runaway Senior	05-Apr-2019 16:05        runaway About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	You asked:Starhub past earnings are also historical, and quoting my point that future is unknown, so why cant it make a loss this coming Q? To answer your question, it is best to use probability. Stathub has been profitable every year since its IPO in 2004. What is the likelihood of it reporting its first loss this coming Q? Mind you,13 years = 52 Quarters. You used last years data to predict that Starhub will report a loss this Q? You plugged from the air that it will then drop to $1.20? What is the use of retained earnings? Plenty. Go find out how much it has in retained earnings. Read this about the use of retained earnings : https://www.getmoneyrich.com/how-companies-use-retained-earnings/
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lifeisgood Supreme	05-Apr-2019 15:12        lifeisgood About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	If Starhub raises fund via placement or rights issue, it will help pare down its $ billion debt. This will greatly help reduce interest expenses and increase profitability.
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Belteshazzar Master	05-Apr-2019 15:07        Belteshazzar About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	U said Historical numbers are past tense, history.. so how come loss not possible How to use the retain earnings? Can it use to pay the 1 b debt
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runaway Senior	05-Apr-2019 15:01        runaway About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Starhub has never made a loss, not in any Q, and certainly not in any year. It has accumulated massive retained earnings over the years since IPO. It is an evergreen business and a prized digital asset that many M& A raiders love.
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lukewong82 Master	05-Apr-2019 14:52        lukewong82 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	As u mentioned, future is unknown, including the coming Q. I think of it this way.. next Q improve = Huat, share price back to 1.6+ or higher next  Q worsen or even making loss = die. share price tank to 1.2+ or lowe So is like playing big/small or red/black roulette in casino leh.. runaway      ( Date: 05-Apr-2019 14:45) Posted: Historical numbers are past tense, history. It is known and everyone can read. Future is unknown, including the coming Q and year. Telco service is a necessity, it is an evergreen business. At $1.50, the share has factored in all the known negatives and historical numbers. It is a good buy at this price, dont miss. I bought liao and am still buying.
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runaway Senior	05-Apr-2019 14:45        runaway About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Historical numbers are past tense, history. It is known and everyone can read. Future is unknown, including the coming Q and year. Telco service is a necessity, it is an evergreen business. At $1.50, the share has factored in all the known negatives and historical numbers. It is a good buy at this price, dont miss. I bought liao and am still buying.
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Belteshazzar Master	05-Apr-2019 14:43        Belteshazzar About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Pls take note that this q results may not be good Last q Depreciation and amortisation78.3 m, if you were to fully depreciate the cable asset it may be more than 78.3m, worst case, may be first q loss...
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Belteshazzar Master	05-Apr-2019 14:32        Belteshazzar About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Do you have the ans. Last q earned 15.4m,if u were to take this no , yearly will be <100m. How to pay? Belteshazzar      ( Date: 31-Mar-2019 15:12) Posted: Before deciding to buy , find ans to how they r going to get the $$$ for dividend 155.7m, 282 for spectrum n others outstanding capital expenditure . The resulting net cash generated was a deficit of S$83.8 million in 4Q2018 and deficit of S$179.9 million in the full year, leading to a lower cash and cash equivalents balance (excluding restricted cash) of S$165.3 million. Capital expenditure commitments As of 31 December 2018, the Group?s total outstanding capital expenditure commitments amounted to S$527.1 million, including the outstanding commitments for 4G spectrum rights of S$282.0 million. GROUP UNSECURED BORROWINGS The Group?s unsecured borrowings was higher by S$50.9 million at S$1,028.4 million as of 31 December 2018. On account of a lower cash and cash equivalent balance, net debt was S$230.2 million higher at S$862.4 million as of 31 December 2018 compared to S$632.3 million as of 31 December 2017. As a ratio of the past 12 months? EBITDA, the Group?s net debt was higher at 1.52 times as of 31 December 2018, up from 0.98 times as of 31 December 2017. 31 Dec 1831 Dec 17Unsecured borrowingsS$mS$mAmount repayable in one year or lessBank loans50.1 120.0 50.1 120.0 Amount repayable after one yearBank loans458.4 337.5 Medium term notes520.0 520.0 978.4 857.5 Total1,028.4 977.5
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