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mikey888 Senior	19-Oct-2018 09:22        mikey888 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	2.5% until December 2018...cpf withdrawal only can be made at 55yo & even so at minimal amount..(subject to amount above FRS requirements which will keep on increasing year on year)....no point talking since withdrawal will be in far future... Qanghoo      ( Date: 19-Oct-2018 00:51) Posted: Haha, I just check.  Base rate for CPF OA only 2.5% (this is a fact cos HDB mortgage rate is stated as 2.6%, 0.1% higher as a rule).  They have accounted for the additional 1% thinkg for first xxxK.  mikey888      ( Date: 18-Oct-2018 20:38) Posted: Cpf rate up to 3.5%....should wait for next month SSB to see if any further hikes in interest rate..
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ysh2006 Supreme	19-Oct-2018 07:47        ysh2006 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Buy saving insurance from life insurance company only get 2% need to lock 7 years after fully paid the premium. Qanghoo      ( Date: 19-Oct-2018 07:35) Posted: Yes, I think so too.  Will be quite a bit of peace of mind with constant returns for the risk averse.  But wld it be < real long-term core inflation?  I suppose though it' s much better than a lot of us losing $$$ in dabbling in equities in this sh*t mkt. ysh2006      ( Date: 19-Oct-2018 02:44) Posted: This bond is for retail investors maybe don't know how to trade or buy reits than come here to buy!!..
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Qanghoo Supreme	19-Oct-2018 07:35        Qanghoo About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Yes, I think so too.  Will be quite a bit of peace of mind with constant returns for the risk averse.  But wld it be < real long-term core inflation?  I suppose though it' s much better than a lot of us losing $$$ in dabbling in equities in this sh*t mkt. ysh2006      ( Date: 19-Oct-2018 02:44) Posted: This bond is for retail investors maybe don't know how to trade or buy reits than come here to buy!!... Qanghoo      ( Date: 19-Oct-2018 00:51) Posted: Haha, I just check.  Base rate for CPF OA only 2.5% (this is a fact cos HDB mortgage rate is stated as 2.6%, 0.1% higher as a rule).  They have accounted for the additional 1% thinkg for first xxxK.
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ysh2006 Supreme	19-Oct-2018 02:44        ysh2006 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	This bond is for retail investors maybe don't know how to trade or buy reits than come here to buy!!... Qanghoo      ( Date: 19-Oct-2018 00:51) Posted: Haha, I just check.  Base rate for CPF OA only 2.5% (this is a fact cos HDB mortgage rate is stated as 2.6%, 0.1% higher as a rule).  They have accounted for the additional 1% thinkg for first xxxK.  mikey888      ( Date: 18-Oct-2018 20:38) Posted: Cpf rate up to 3.5%....should wait for next month SSB to see if any further hikes in interest rate..
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Qanghoo Supreme	19-Oct-2018 00:51        Qanghoo About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Haha, I just check.  Base rate for CPF OA only 2.5% (this is a fact cos HDB mortgage rate is stated as 2.6%, 0.1% higher as a rule).  They have accounted for the additional 1% thinkg for first xxxK.  mikey888      ( Date: 18-Oct-2018 20:38) Posted: Cpf rate up to 3.5%....should wait for next month SSB to see if any further hikes in interest rate... Qanghoo      ( Date: 18-Oct-2018 14:55) Posted: Put it this way.  They have to make it as good as guaranteed.  Otherwise, the potential ramifications cld be very severe indeed.  But are they also executing a master stroke now.  Interest rate up,  Issue bond at reasonable attractive px, no need to go mkt cos that cld be higher.  At the same time, sporeans cld participate in their ' business' at very reasonable return.  2.75 is CPF OA minimum rate, right
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mikey888 Senior	18-Oct-2018 20:38        mikey888 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Cpf rate up to 3.5%....should wait for next month SSB to see if any further hikes in interest rate... Qanghoo      ( Date: 18-Oct-2018 14:55) Posted: Put it this way.  They have to make it as good as guaranteed.  Otherwise, the potential ramifications cld be very severe indeed.  But are they also executing a master stroke now.  Interest rate up,  Issue bond at reasonable attractive px, no need to go mkt cos that cld be higher.  At the same time, sporeans cld participate in their ' business' at very reasonable return.  2.75 is CPF OA minimum rate, right? KAMAL0883      ( Date: 18-Oct-2018 14:24) Posted: depending on the bond issuer , TH Bonds is as safe as SSB cos TH is own by SG Govt unless SG Govt close shop .... but of course if the market rate move higher than 2,75% then TH Bonds' mkt px will go below par for sure ...
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ysh2006 Supreme	18-Oct-2018 20:22        ysh2006 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Don't need Indonesian Salim gp take 60% at $ 530M....Maybe change name to reflect Indo culture ... marjohn      ( Date: 18-Oct-2018 14:59) Posted: Can use the bond $ to bail out Hyflux? Just nice use the bond $ buy take over Hyflux at 50 cts per share lol!!! Happy trading folks!!!
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huathuat88888 Elite	18-Oct-2018 20:13        huathuat88888 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I worry when our Temasek needs to raise $ thru bonds.
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marjohn Veteran	18-Oct-2018 14:59        marjohn About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Can use the bond $ to bail out Hyflux? Just nice use the bond $ buy take over Hyflux at 50 cts per share lol!!! Happy trading folks!!!
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Qanghoo Supreme	18-Oct-2018 14:55        Qanghoo About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Put it this way.  They have to make it as good as guaranteed.  Otherwise, the potential ramifications cld be very severe indeed.  But are they also executing a master stroke now.  Interest rate up,  Issue bond at reasonable attractive px, no need to go mkt cos that cld be higher.  At the same time, sporeans cld participate in their ' business' at very reasonable return.  2.75 is CPF OA minimum rate, right? KAMAL0883      ( Date: 18-Oct-2018 14:24) Posted: depending on the bond issuer , TH Bonds is as safe as SSB cos TH is own by SG Govt unless SG Govt close shop .... but of course if the market rate move higher than 2,75% then TH Bonds' mkt px will go below par for sure .... mikey888      ( Date: 18-Oct-2018 14:10) Posted: yes..good time to get funding at the moment as rates are on the rise...but for retailers, listed bonds still have certain risks (as it is listed in sgx similar to equities) unlike SSB where principal & interest are guaranteed...
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KAMAL0883 Supreme	18-Oct-2018 14:24        KAMAL0883 About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	depending on the bond issuer , TH Bonds is as safe as SSB cos TH is own by SG Govt unless SG Govt close shop .... but of course if the market rate move higher than 2,75% then TH Bonds' mkt px will go below par for sure .... mikey888      ( Date: 18-Oct-2018 14:10) Posted: yes..good time to get funding at the moment as rates are on the rise...but for retailers, listed bonds still have certain risks (as it is listed in sgx similar to equities) unlike SSB where principal & interest are guaranteed...  Qanghoo      ( Date: 18-Oct-2018 13:54) Posted: interest rate on uptrend, this is cheaper way to get funding?
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mikey888 Senior	18-Oct-2018 14:10        mikey888 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	yes..good time to get funding at the moment as rates are on the rise...but for retailers, listed bonds still have certain risks (as it is listed in sgx similar to equities) unlike SSB where principal & interest are guaranteed...  Qanghoo      ( Date: 18-Oct-2018 13:54) Posted: interest rate on uptrend, this is cheaper way to get funding?  mikey888      ( Date: 18-Oct-2018 13:52) Posted: yes when listed price is on the up..can redeem earlier for a gain...again price may also be below par value (though well supported, may still happen) especially economic uncertainty now & moving forward... btw...what is your take on the latest Temasek bond? worth subscribing @2.75%? somemore with rising interest rate...
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Qanghoo Supreme	18-Oct-2018 13:54        Qanghoo About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	interest rate on uptrend, this is cheaper way to get funding?  mikey888      ( Date: 18-Oct-2018 13:52) Posted: yes when listed price is on the up..can redeem earlier for a gain...again price may also be below par value (though well supported, may still happen) especially economic uncertainty now & moving forward... btw...what is your take on the latest Temasek bond? worth subscribing @2.75%? somemore with rising interest rate...  chengwh1      ( Date: 17-Oct-2018 22:51) Posted: If the price is resilient, you do not need to wait till redemption, you can sell prior to redemption for a gain, or at the very least at breakeven. If you managed to buy at IPO, ie gotten allocations at par value of $1.00 per unit  back then, your average holding price ( if you buy some more today)  will still be low enough to enjoy a profit if you dispose prior to redemption
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mikey888 Senior	18-Oct-2018 13:52        mikey888 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	yes when listed price is on the up..can redeem earlier for a gain...again price may also be below par value (though well supported, may still happen) especially economic uncertainty now & moving forward... btw...what is your take on the latest Temasek bond? worth subscribing @2.75%? somemore with rising interest rate...  chengwh1      ( Date: 17-Oct-2018 22:51) Posted: If the price is resilient, you do not need to wait till redemption, you can sell prior to redemption for a gain, or at the very least at breakeven. If you managed to buy at IPO, ie gotten allocations at par value of $1.00 per unit  back then, your average holding price ( if you buy some more today)  will still be low enough to enjoy a profit if you dispose prior to redemption. mikey888      ( Date: 17-Oct-2018 16:43) Posted: investor will be paying a premium of 5% factored into the current price of $1.05 ie. bond was listed at $1 par value? correct me if I am wrong? if so, have to forego first year yield of 4% (paying addtional 5% in interest somemore) just to buy this bond? so only second year onwards can enjoy the 4% yields for the next nine years?
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chengwh1 Elite	17-Oct-2018 22:56        chengwh1 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 1  Alert Admin	There is no guarantee by Temasek for this PE Bond. But,... for this first PE Bond Fund offered to the public, the rating is good, and there is something called Financial Safeguards in-place to provide liquidity in case there are problems. ysh2006      ( Date: 17-Oct-2018 18:49) Posted: Any SSH guarantee this bond ? If like Novle or Hyflux how ? chengwh1      ( Date: 17-Oct-2018 16:00) Posted: Just an opinion here,... instead of buying this bond at 2.74% ONLY, why don' t consider the Astrea PE Bond Fund which can be bought over the counter in the SGX ? At current price of $1.05, the yield is still above 4%, and paid out twice  a year. This PE Bond Fund has IPO' ed a few months go, and throughout the recent mkt meltdowns, the price has been holding strong,.... hence quite proven for its resilience.
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chengwh1 Elite	17-Oct-2018 22:51        chengwh1 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	If the price is resilient, you do not need to wait till redemption, you can sell prior to redemption for a gain, or at the very least at breakeven. If you managed to buy at IPO, ie gotten allocations at par value of $1.00 per unit  back then, your average holding price ( if you buy some more today)  will still be low enough to enjoy a profit if you dispose prior to redemption. mikey888      ( Date: 17-Oct-2018 16:43) Posted: investor will be paying a premium of 5% factored into the current price of $1.05 ie. bond was listed at $1 par value? correct me if I am wrong? if so, have to forego first year yield of 4% (paying addtional 5% in interest somemore) just to buy this bond? so only second year onwards can enjoy the 4% yields for the next nine years? chengwh1      ( Date: 17-Oct-2018 16:00) Posted: Just an opinion here,... instead of buying this bond at 2.74% ONLY, why don' t consider the Astrea PE Bond Fund which can be bought over the counter in the SGX ? At current price of $1.05, the yield is still above 4%, and paid out twice  a year. This PE Bond Fund has IPO' ed a few months go, and throughout the recent mkt meltdowns, the price has been holding strong,.... hence quite proven for its resilience.
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ysh2006 Supreme	17-Oct-2018 18:49        ysh2006 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Any SSH guarantee this bond ? If like Novle or Hyflux how ? chengwh1      ( Date: 17-Oct-2018 16:00) Posted: Just an opinion here,... instead of buying this bond at 2.74% ONLY, why don' t consider the Astrea PE Bond Fund which can be bought over the counter in the SGX ? At current price of $1.05, the yield is still above 4%, and paid out twice  a year. This PE Bond Fund has IPO' ed a few months go, and throughout the recent mkt meltdowns, the price has been holding strong,.... hence quite proven for its resilience.
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mikey888 Senior	17-Oct-2018 16:43        mikey888 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	investor will be paying a premium of 5% factored into the current price of $1.05 ie. bond was listed at $1 par value? correct me if I am wrong? if so, have to forego first year yield of 4% (paying addtional 5% in interest somemore) just to buy this bond? so only second year onwards can enjoy the 4% yields for the next nine years? chengwh1      ( Date: 17-Oct-2018 16:00) Posted: Just an opinion here,... instead of buying this bond at 2.74% ONLY, why don' t consider the Astrea PE Bond Fund which can be bought over the counter in the SGX ? At current price of $1.05, the yield is still above 4%, and paid out twice  a year. This PE Bond Fund has IPO' ed a few months go, and throughout the recent mkt meltdowns, the price has been holding strong,.... hence quite proven for its resilience.
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shyeo1223 Master	17-Oct-2018 16:14        shyeo1223 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	TH is just screwed up.  Even the return for bonds is so pathetic lol
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chengwh1 Elite	17-Oct-2018 16:00        chengwh1 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Just an opinion here,... instead of buying this bond at 2.74% ONLY, why don' t consider the Astrea PE Bond Fund which can be bought over the counter in the SGX ? At current price of $1.05, the yield is still above 4%, and paid out twice  a year. This PE Bond Fund has IPO' ed a few months go, and throughout the recent mkt meltdowns, the price has been holding strong,.... hence quite proven for its resilience.
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