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TigTig Master	07-Oct-2017 17:36        TigTig About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Quite agree.    If the price drifts lower and lower, the rights can be endangered.      Don' t expect much news until the big meeting they set up.    dav781      ( Date: 07-Oct-2017 16:39) Posted: I do not think there will be many takers who would subscribe  to the rights at 1.0 cent share price as well. Why throw in more money to Loyz? Even if there is really dilution, the impact is minimal at 1.0 cent. For the rights to be successful, this share has to be at least 1.3 cents and above. Volmax      ( Date: 07-Oct-2017 15:48) Posted: So shareholders who do not wanna see further dilution can just sell down to 0.9c and Loyz will cancel the rights issue? LOL
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TigTig Master	07-Oct-2017 17:25        TigTig About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Hehe, I got this wrong, it' s 300,000 barrels.    The base revenue (before deduction of other overheads) is the oil price less US 12 I think.  So if oil price is 50, their revenue would be 11.4 million or 15 million SGD. TigTig      ( Date: 07-Oct-2017 12:10) Posted: I mean they produce 300 million barrels.    The reserve figures look pretty good I think, correct me if I am wrong.  so I thought the best way is to pull more oil from the ground if they want revenue.  TigTig      ( Date: 07-Oct-2017 12:02) Posted: From what I can see, please correct me if I am wrong, this Company has a little bit of oil which gives them revenue.  They can produce about 300 barrels of oil per year, which has been the case from past two years (from annual report), so the revenue depends on the price per barrel, which could be $40 or $50 per barrel, it depends on the market.    They said that they would focus on Thailand to raise the oil production, but also caution that they want to conserve the oil reserves if the oil price is not good.  So far so good.    The downside of this strategy is that they need to pay back US30 million to the owner of the oilfield by installments, and second they need to pay about US30 million back to OCBC for the loan they got to take over the oilfield.  These debts are still outstanding.    They can manage this somehow by giving Loyz shares to the owner when they run out of cash.    We expect that this company will constantly be bugged by cash needs.  Next come chapter 2.      Suddenly, the company decides to do something different and partner with another company to do things like commodities trading, blah, blah blah, investment, etc.      The rights issue is important to them now.  without this seed money, their plan to do this new thingy will be crippled.    What will happen to the shares issued to the JV partner? we also need to be careful with the NAV figures, as there has been so many new share issuance, it has been lowered when you add in the new shares issued to the denominator to calculate NAV.    I think the company is now depending on persuading shareholders at the change name meeting to back their plans.    Between now and then, price could just drift towards the lower end.
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TigTig Master	07-Oct-2017 17:23        TigTig About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	It' s staff incentive.  Need to check further how they play this game.    I think bottom line is CEO got the 10 million shares and he would want to push price up.    The meeting will be pony show for him, but be careful of empty promises.  Volmax      ( Date: 07-Oct-2017 17:19) Posted: Can any bro enlighten me what is " Vesting of share awards" ?
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Volmax Elite	07-Oct-2017 17:19        Volmax About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Can any bro enlighten me what is " Vesting of share awards" ?
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dav781 Senior	07-Oct-2017 16:39        dav781 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I do not think there will be many takers who would subscribe  to the rights at 1.0 cent share price as well. Why throw in more money to Loyz? Even if there is really dilution, the impact is minimal at 1.0 cent. For the rights to be successful, this share has to be at least 1.3 cents and above. Volmax      ( Date: 07-Oct-2017 15:48) Posted: So shareholders who do not wanna see further dilution can just sell down to 0.9c and Loyz will cancel the rights issue? LOL
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dav781 Senior	07-Oct-2017 16:34        dav781 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Warrant exercise price is 1.5 cents. Warrant is not worth a lot. Furthermore, it is 4 rights to 1 warrant. I agree that some SSH or big supporter of Loyz might buy at 0.9 cent but definitely not a lot. As a normal shareholder, at 0.9 cent, I would definitely not subscribe and I would not lose out to dilution at all. bernardc      ( Date: 07-Oct-2017 16:07) Posted: people will still subscribe at .009.... free waarnts may worth something.. Volmax      ( Date: 07-Oct-2017 15:48) Posted: So shareholders who do not wanna see further dilution can just sell down to 0.9c and Loyz will cancel the rights issue? LOL
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bernardc Elite	07-Oct-2017 16:07        bernardc About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	people will still subscribe at .009.... free waarnts may worth something.. Volmax      ( Date: 07-Oct-2017 15:48) Posted: So shareholders who do not wanna see further dilution can just sell down to 0.9c and Loyz will cancel the rights issue? LOL
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Volmax Elite	07-Oct-2017 15:48        Volmax About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	So shareholders who do not wanna see further dilution can just sell down to 0.9c and Loyz will cancel the rights issue? LOL
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dav781 Senior	07-Oct-2017 15:34        dav781 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	There will not be any rights/new shares if share price drops to 0.9 cent. Volmax      ( Date: 07-Oct-2017 10:41) Posted: Instead of creating value, they are destroying shareholders' value. Those intend to subscribe to the rights but have no holding power may panic sell when the 2 billion shares come to the market and buyers starts shrinking.
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TigTig Master	07-Oct-2017 12:10        TigTig About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I mean they produce 300 million barrels.    The reserve figures look pretty good I think, correct me if I am wrong.  so I thought the best way is to pull more oil from the ground if they want revenue.  TigTig      ( Date: 07-Oct-2017 12:02) Posted: From what I can see, please correct me if I am wrong, this Company has a little bit of oil which gives them revenue.  They can produce about 300 barrels of oil per year, which has been the case from past two years (from annual report), so the revenue depends on the price per barrel, which could be $40 or $50 per barrel, it depends on the market.    They said that they would focus on Thailand to raise the oil production, but also caution that they want to conserve the oil reserves if the oil price is not good.  So far so good.    The downside of this strategy is that they need to pay back US30 million to the owner of the oilfield by installments, and second they need to pay about US30 million back to OCBC for the loan they got to take over the oilfield.  These debts are still outstanding.    They can manage this somehow by giving Loyz shares to the owner when they run out of cash.    We expect that this company will constantly be bugged by cash needs.  Next come chapter 2.      Suddenly, the company decides to do something different and partner with another company to do things like commodities trading, blah, blah blah, investment, etc.      The rights issue is important to them now.  without this seed money, their plan to do this new thingy will be crippled.    What will happen to the shares issued to the JV partner? we also need to be careful with the NAV figures, as there has been so many new share issuance, it has been lowered when you add in the new shares issued to the denominator to calculate NAV.    I think the company is now depending on persuading shareholders at the change name meeting to back their plans.    Between now and then, price could just drift towards the lower end.
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TigTig Master	07-Oct-2017 12:02        TigTig About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	From what I can see, please correct me if I am wrong, this Company has a little bit of oil which gives them revenue.  They can produce about 300 barrels of oil per year, which has been the case from past two years (from annual report), so the revenue depends on the price per barrel, which could be $40 or $50 per barrel, it depends on the market.    They said that they would focus on Thailand to raise the oil production, but also caution that they want to conserve the oil reserves if the oil price is not good.  So far so good.    The downside of this strategy is that they need to pay back US30 million to the owner of the oilfield by installments, and second they need to pay about US30 million back to OCBC for the loan they got to take over the oilfield.  These debts are still outstanding.    They can manage this somehow by giving Loyz shares to the owner when they run out of cash.    We expect that this company will constantly be bugged by cash needs.  Next come chapter 2.      Suddenly, the company decides to do something different and partner with another company to do things like commodities trading, blah, blah blah, investment, etc.      The rights issue is important to them now.  without this seed money, their plan to do this new thingy will be crippled.    What will happen to the shares issued to the JV partner? we also need to be careful with the NAV figures, as there has been so many new share issuance, it has been lowered when you add in the new shares issued to the denominator to calculate NAV.    I think the company is now depending on persuading shareholders at the change name meeting to back their plans.    Between now and then, price could just drift towards the lower end.
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Volmax Elite	07-Oct-2017 10:41        Volmax About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Instead of creating value, they are destroying shareholders' value. Those intend to subscribe to the rights but have no holding power may panic sell when the 2 billion shares come to the market and buyers starts shrinking.
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polarinda Master	07-Oct-2017 01:45        polarinda About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	why is the share price dropping? is it going bust?
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vivacious Supreme	06-Oct-2017 21:57        vivacious About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	cancel the rights and shr price rocket lah. Best. dav781      ( Date: 06-Oct-2017 21:56) Posted: Hello, they are pricing their rights at 0.9 cents. Very fee will subscribe if share price hits 0.9 cent. They might as well cancel the rights issue. TigTig      ( Date: 06-Oct-2017 19:22) Posted: From what little I know about this company, the losses seem to be not a lot, but they plan to do a big thing, hence they need money. What can help them would be an increase in oil price.    The plan they have is too new and untested, noone really knows what it is, except they set up a JV company with another partner.    Loyz issue shares, the partner company give their expertise.  No loss for the partner, but if this fails, the loss will come to Loyz shareholders, meaning all of us (I' m not vested yet, but maybe eventually, see how).  I think they need cash now, so the rights will carry on, even half subscribed will help.    The issue is with the share price at 1 cent, how on earth will they price the rights?    1.3 cents?    How much can they raise? It would not make sense for anyone to subscribe at 0.3 cents higher than what they can buy from the market.    They have the warrants, but these are useless if the price don' t move up to the strike price.  So at the end of the day, people question why are they raising money for?    What is the big plan?    That' s what all shareholders would like to know.
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dav781 Senior	06-Oct-2017 21:56        dav781 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Hello, they are pricing their rights at 0.9 cents. Very fee will subscribe if share price hits 0.9 cent. They might as well cancel the rights issue. TigTig      ( Date: 06-Oct-2017 19:22) Posted: From what little I know about this company, the losses seem to be not a lot, but they plan to do a big thing, hence they need money. What can help them would be an increase in oil price.    The plan they have is too new and untested, noone really knows what it is, except they set up a JV company with another partner.    Loyz issue shares, the partner company give their expertise.  No loss for the partner, but if this fails, the loss will come to Loyz shareholders, meaning all of us (I' m not vested yet, but maybe eventually, see how).  I think they need cash now, so the rights will carry on, even half subscribed will help.    The issue is with the share price at 1 cent, how on earth will they price the rights?    1.3 cents?    How much can they raise? It would not make sense for anyone to subscribe at 0.3 cents higher than what they can buy from the market.    They have the warrants, but these are useless if the price don' t move up to the strike price.  So at the end of the day, people question why are they raising money for?    What is the big plan?    That' s what all shareholders would like to know.
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dav781 Senior	06-Oct-2017 21:52        dav781 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	If share price drops to 0.9 cent, hardly anyone   will subscribe to the rights.  The company can still try to offer rights at 0.9 cent (when share price is 0.9 cent) and some idiots/big supporters might subscribe for it, but there will NOT be any dilutive effect as every new share issued is backed by 0.9 cent cash. if share price drops to 0.8 cent, just buy from the market at a cheaper price than the rights.   TigTig      ( Date: 06-Oct-2017 20:29) Posted: So if one buys at 0.009 and take the rights, effectively he is paying 1.8 cents per share.    If you buy at higher price, it just means you pay more per share.    It' s still below the NAV, but the real issue is will money be made from the investment? Seriously, I think this company do need our attention.      Uppermost in my mind is the existing business, how is it going?    The oil reserves are going to give how much profit to the co, say at US 50?      Are they running out, or have many years of life?      I don' t have a good feel at all, need to do some more checks.    The oil is the backstop.      I don' t know about the success of the new business, it could end up the garden path looking at Tarzan.
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TigTig Master	06-Oct-2017 20:29        TigTig About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	So if one buys at 0.009 and take the rights, effectively he is paying 1.8 cents per share.    If you buy at higher price, it just means you pay more per share.    It' s still below the NAV, but the real issue is will money be made from the investment? Seriously, I think this company do need our attention.      Uppermost in my mind is the existing business, how is it going?    The oil reserves are going to give how much profit to the co, say at US 50?      Are they running out, or have many years of life?      I don' t have a good feel at all, need to do some more checks.    The oil is the backstop.      I don' t know about the success of the new business, it could end up the garden path looking at Tarzan.
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ifallgoeswell Senior	06-Oct-2017 20:26        ifallgoeswell About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Mr. ceo can lead by example and subscribe since he has 10mil new shares to play with now. Will be interesting to see if other big shareholders actually support this during egm and subscribe gravity8888      ( Date: 06-Oct-2017 20:15) Posted: Below 1 on Monday.. If go below the rights.. Then bye bye lo
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ifallgoeswell Senior	06-Oct-2017 20:15        ifallgoeswell About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Yes sir 1 for 1 TigTig      ( Date: 06-Oct-2017 20:02) Posted: 1 for 1? ifallgoeswell      ( Date: 06-Oct-2017 19:54) Posted: Rights issue price is $0.009 Non-underwritten
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gravity8888 Supreme	06-Oct-2017 20:15        gravity8888 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Below 1 on Monday.. If go below the rights.. Then bye bye lo
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