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eric998 Supreme	08-Feb-2017 18:46        eric998 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Historically Starhub will announce EX date in March and gives out the dividend in April. So u need to decide if u want to play dividend. May go up near announcement or after announcement date but may drop more after EX-date. So be careful and do your calculated risk. angmohlin      ( Date: 08-Feb-2017 17:48) Posted: The StarHub price of 2.75 today, the investors are entitle to receive the dividend of 5 cents for the Q4/2016. The forecast dividend of 16 cents is for the FY 2017, the yield is about 5.9% after take into consideration of 5 cents dividend for Q4/16.  2.73 providing strong support with the oversold in stochastic.
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angmohlin Veteran	08-Feb-2017 17:48        angmohlin About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined
x 1   x 0  Alert Admin	The StarHub price of 2.75 today, the investors are entitle to receive the dividend of 5 cents for the Q4/2016. The forecast dividend of 16 cents is for the FY 2017, the yield is about 5.9% after take into consideration of 5 cents dividend for Q4/16.  2.73 providing strong support with the oversold in stochastic.
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seanpent Supreme	08-Feb-2017 11:40        seanpent About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	yesterday' s  2.74 / 2.75 seems an accumulation in midst of fear ..... next destination 2.88 ? seanpent      ( Date: 08-Feb-2017 09:13) Posted: interim bottoming around 2.74 / 2.75 ..... let' s see if there' ll be a furious short  covering later ..... GodOfTrader      ( Date: 08-Feb-2017 00:41) Posted: It' s okay what type of price at what volume. Either way, i' ll emerge victorious in the end because i' m GodOfTrader. What type of price is also okay :)
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seanpent Supreme	08-Feb-2017 09:13        seanpent About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	interim bottoming around 2.74 / 2.75 ..... let' s see if there' ll be a furious short  covering later ..... GodOfTrader      ( Date: 08-Feb-2017 00:41) Posted: It' s okay what type of price at what volume. Either way, i' ll emerge victorious in the end because i' m GodOfTrader. What type of price is also okay :) seanpent      ( Date: 07-Feb-2017 16:54) Posted: approx 6.6 million done at 2.75 ..... :)
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GodOfTrader Senior	08-Feb-2017 01:21        GodOfTrader About Contact  Quote this Post!   Mood: Yells: "LET YOUR IGNORANCE BE SHOWN TOMORROW!"
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GodOfTrader Senior	08-Feb-2017 00:56        GodOfTrader About Contact  Quote this Post!   Mood: Yells: "LET YOUR IGNORANCE BE SHOWN TOMORROW!"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Whether Starhub will rise/ fall depends on how one view, but is not determined by others  I will go for long-term, while others may go for short-term. How one view a stock, will generally be how they played out. There are already a lot smart people in the market, i do not need to add one more :) Fisherman catches fish, sitting at a lake. When the fish comes, i will eventually hook. ~ GodOfTrader
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GodOfTrader Senior	08-Feb-2017 00:41        GodOfTrader About Contact  Quote this Post!   Mood: Yells: "LET YOUR IGNORANCE BE SHOWN TOMORROW!"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	It' s okay what type of price at what volume. Either way, i' ll emerge victorious in the end because i' m GodOfTrader. What type of price is also okay :) seanpent      ( Date: 07-Feb-2017 16:54) Posted: approx 6.6 million done at 2.75 ..... :) GodOfTrader      ( Date: 07-Feb-2017 15:49) Posted: Let's see the results over long term 🙂 As said before, daily movement is not my concern. Fear is inevitable for public, but not for me as i stick to my prediction 😎 May the best man win, bring it on :)
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GodOfTrader Senior	08-Feb-2017 00:33        GodOfTrader About Contact  Quote this Post!   Mood: Yells: "LET YOUR IGNORANCE BE SHOWN TOMORROW!"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	For Smart People- You cannot tell them they are very smart/ not smart at all. There are a lot of Smart People in the market, so i will only use a viewing attitude. Therefore, the price is not relevant :) alexchew      ( Date: 07-Feb-2017 15:53) Posted: what price were u vesteD? GodOfTrader      ( Date: 07-Feb-2017 15:46) Posted: Luckily my holding power is invincible. When public fear, i stand my ground and hold long term 😁
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angmohlin Veteran	07-Feb-2017 19:11        angmohlin About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	2.73 to 2.76 level has provides strong support and also in oversold condition in stochastic. Hopefully tomorrow able to rebound.
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seanpent Supreme	07-Feb-2017 16:54        seanpent About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	approx 6.6 million done at 2.75 ..... :) GodOfTrader      ( Date: 07-Feb-2017 15:49) Posted: Let's see the results over long term 🙂 As said before, daily movement is not my concern. Fear is inevitable for public, but not for me as i stick to my prediction 😎 May the best man win, bring it on :)
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alexchew Master	07-Feb-2017 15:53        alexchew About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	what price were u vesteD? GodOfTrader      ( Date: 07-Feb-2017 15:46) Posted: Luckily my holding power is invincible. When public fear, i stand my ground and hold long term 😁
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GodOfTrader Senior	07-Feb-2017 15:49        GodOfTrader About Contact  Quote this Post!   Mood: Yells: "LET YOUR IGNORANCE BE SHOWN TOMORROW!"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Let's see the results over long term 🙂 As said before, daily movement is not my concern. Fear is inevitable for public, but not for me as i stick to my prediction 😎 May the best man win, bring it on :)
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GodOfTrader Senior	07-Feb-2017 15:46        GodOfTrader About Contact  Quote this Post!   Mood: Yells: "LET YOUR IGNORANCE BE SHOWN TOMORROW!"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Luckily my holding power is invincible. When public fear, i stand my ground and hold long term 😁
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Goldfinger Supreme	07-Feb-2017 15:44        Goldfinger About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	For property - those who bought freehold at good locations and low prices will make money in the longer term if have holding power. Many owners ifnauch are now withdrawing properties from sale I believe. earlybird14      ( Date: 07-Feb-2017 13:47) Posted: Those bought property between 2012-2013 is destined to lose money( of course exclude those bought hdb at good location and high floor units). With the interest to be added every year, there is zero chance to earn money. Even now? I still doubt so with the interest hiking environment and high vacancy rental rate which can drive rental fee further down. Picking property is like picking stock, location and timing. alexchew      ( Date: 07-Feb-2017 13:25) Posted: its wrong concept to assume a defensive stock will always be defensive. But people' s mindset are hard to change. Same like property, they always believe that if i buy today, i will have capital gain when i sell it. This is no longer the truth for the next 20 years for singapore. Property likely to be stagnant or ppl realised that it is similar to a car, with an expiry. With more hdb coming past 30 to 40 years age, it will be a question for the govt to address if it is an asset or liability. If you use it for income generation for rental, you are safe to a certain extent. But if you buy a 35 year old flat today for occupancy, and sell it 30 years later, i am quite sure you will lose money.
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pinkowl Supreme	07-Feb-2017 15:36        pinkowl About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Technical   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Because those bonds you have mentioned that comes with high yield don' t have as strong financials as Starhub.   alexchew      ( Date: 07-Feb-2017 15:03) Posted: Its intesting to see ppl talk about dividend yields that are very high? Just take a look at retail bonds, hyflux and oxley etc. Can get much higher yield rates with capital guaranteed upon maturity. Why take such risk on starhub that is on long term downtrend? pinkowl      ( Date: 07-Feb-2017 14:59) Posted: In a way, making money or not through property also kind of depended on when one is born. Those who reached marriageable age between 2002 to 2008 all laughing their way to the bank. Those reached their late 20s/early 30s from 2010 to 2015 would likely be forced to get units at the peak of property cycle.
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alexchew Master	07-Feb-2017 15:03        alexchew About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Its intesting to see ppl talk about dividend yields that are very high? Just take a look at retail bonds, hyflux and oxley etc. Can get much higher yield rates with capital guaranteed upon maturity. Why take such risk on starhub that is on long term downtrend? pinkowl      ( Date: 07-Feb-2017 14:59) Posted: In a way, making money or not through property also kind of depended on when one is born. Those who reached marriageable age between 2002 to 2008 all laughing their way to the bank. Those reached their late 20s/early 30s from 2010 to 2015 would likely be forced to get units at the peak of property cycle.  jeremyow      ( Date: 07-Feb-2017 14:48) Posted: Yes. property investment is another different investment class requiring a different set of analytic skills to property pick good properties for investment. Many factors come into play affecting the valuation of properties. And it is certainly a misconception to say that buying any properties sure will make money in the long run. Same as saying buying any stocks during a bull run sure will make money is also equally dangerous. Maybe if one has the luck to sell at higher than cost in a short term, than whether property or stocks still can make money. But, to sell a property is not that simple as selling shares. It takes a longer time and process to find buyers and complete the selling process for properties. So, if one buys wrong property at wrong time at wrong location at wrong financial investment calculations, with so many wrongs it can be disastrous. There are already sufficient news of property investors who lost money with their property investments. Property investment as a whole, while being a lucrative investment class also has its pitfalls as well. As always, caveat emptor and due diligence certainly is needed to find truly good property deals.
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pinkowl Supreme	07-Feb-2017 14:59        pinkowl About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Technical   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	In a way, making money or not through property also kind of depended on when one is born. Those who reached marriageable age between 2002 to 2008 all laughing their way to the bank. Those reached their late 20s/early 30s from 2010 to 2015 would likely be forced to get units at the peak of property cycle.  jeremyow      ( Date: 07-Feb-2017 14:48) Posted: Yes. property investment is another different investment class requiring a different set of analytic skills to property pick good properties for investment. Many factors come into play affecting the valuation of properties. And it is certainly a misconception to say that buying any properties sure will make money in the long run. Same as saying buying any stocks during a bull run sure will make money is also equally dangerous. Maybe if one has the luck to sell at higher than cost in a short term, than whether property or stocks still can make money. But, to sell a property is not that simple as selling shares. It takes a longer time and process to find buyers and complete the selling process for properties. So, if one buys wrong property at wrong time at wrong location at wrong financial investment calculations, with so many wrongs it can be disastrous. There are already sufficient news of property investors who lost money with their property investments. Property investment as a whole, while being a lucrative investment class also has its pitfalls as well. As always, caveat emptor and due diligence certainly is needed to find truly good property deals.     earlybird14      ( Date: 07-Feb-2017 13:47) Posted: Those bought property between 2012-2013 is destined to lose money( of course exclude those bought hdb at good location and high floor units). With the interest to be added every year, there is zero chance to earn money. Even now? I still doubt so with the interest hiking environment and high vacancy rental rate which can drive rental fee further down. Picking property is like picking stock, location and timing
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jeremyow Master	07-Feb-2017 14:48        jeremyow About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood: Yells: "Passionate business investor"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Yes. property investment is another different investment class requiring a different set of analytic skills to property pick good properties for investment. Many factors come into play affecting the valuation of properties. And it is certainly a misconception to say that buying any properties sure will make money in the long run. Same as saying buying any stocks during a bull run sure will make money is also equally dangerous. Maybe if one has the luck to sell at higher than cost in a short term, than whether property or stocks still can make money. But, to sell a property is not that simple as selling shares. It takes a longer time and process to find buyers and complete the selling process for properties. So, if one buys wrong property at wrong time at wrong location at wrong financial investment calculations, with so many wrongs it can be disastrous. There are already sufficient news of property investors who lost money with their property investments. Property investment as a whole, while being a lucrative investment class also has its pitfalls as well. As always, caveat emptor and due diligence certainly is needed to find truly good property deals.     earlybird14      ( Date: 07-Feb-2017 13:47) Posted: Those bought property between 2012-2013 is destined to lose money( of course exclude those bought hdb at good location and high floor units). With the interest to be added every year, there is zero chance to earn money. Even now? I still doubt so with the interest hiking environment and high vacancy rental rate which can drive rental fee further down. Picking property is like picking stock, location and timing. alexchew      ( Date: 07-Feb-2017 13:25) Posted: its wrong concept to assume a defensive stock will always be defensive. But people' s mindset are hard to change. Same like property, they always believe that if i buy today, i will have capital gain when i sell it. This is no longer the truth for the next 20 years for singapore. Property likely to be stagnant or ppl realised that it is similar to a car, with an expiry. With more hdb coming past 30 to 40 years age, it will be a question for the govt to address if it is an asset or liability. If you use it for income generation for rental, you are safe to a certain extent. But if you buy a 35 year old flat today for occupancy, and sell it 30 years later, i am quite sure you will lose money.
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earlybird14 Supreme	07-Feb-2017 13:47        earlybird14 About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Those bought property between 2012-2013 is destined to lose money( of course exclude those bought hdb at good location and high floor units). With the interest to be added every year, there is zero chance to earn money. Even now? I still doubt so with the interest hiking environment and high vacancy rental rate which can drive rental fee further down. Picking property is like picking stock, location and timing. alexchew      ( Date: 07-Feb-2017 13:25) Posted: its wrong concept to assume a defensive stock will always be defensive. But people' s mindset are hard to change. Same like property, they always believe that if i buy today, i will have capital gain when i sell it. This is no longer the truth for the next 20 years for singapore. Property likely to be stagnant or ppl realised that it is similar to a car, with an expiry. With more hdb coming past 30 to 40 years age, it will be a question for the govt to address if it is an asset or liability. If you use it for income generation for rental, you are safe to a certain extent. But if you buy a 35 year old flat today for occupancy, and sell it 30 years later, i am quite sure you will lose money. jeremyow      ( Date: 07-Feb-2017 12:58) Posted: Assuming one has bought Starhub' s shares previously at average price of $4 per share and now it has dropped to current levels of under $3. If one do nothing and continue to hold one' s shares. At potential dividend of 16 cents per share from this year onwards and assuming dividends for next few years remain stagnant at 16 cents per share and Starhub' s share price continues to trade around $3 per share taking into account its financial performance remains stagnant over the few years, an investor will need slightly around 6 years to breakeven on the fall in share price from $4 to $3. Now, it all depends on how Starhub will perform this year and next few years. If financial performance remain stagnant, then its share price may also remain stagnant. It is just that realistic. Share prices move according to the earnings of a business. Stagnant earnings result in stagnant share prices. Investors who buy into Starhub' s shares now will hope that its financial performance can improve over the next few years. If not, why buy into the shares and watch the share price remain stagnant and it may take a while for dividends to cover over the fall in share price? The same goes for O& G stocks which have been bashed down in their share prices over the past three to four years. For many of them, their share prices continue to languish at a lower level. Collection of dividends alone can barely breakeven on the fall in share prices. So, whenever there is a fall in share prices, it really set back the returns of an investor. He may find that it is just wasting time for the share price to recover and dividends will take a while to cover back the loss from the fall in share prices. Of course, one may argue that Starhub is not of the same breed as cyclical O& G stocks. I would say that as long as the share price languish for a few years, whether defensive or cyclical, it does not matter at all. The investor would have lost his time in waiting for the share price to recover and relying on dividends may take a while to cover back the sustained loss from the fall and languish in share prices to recover slowly a paper loss. One to two years maybe still good waiting time to be patiently waiting for recovery in share prices. But what about waiting five years until there is an increase in earnings and thus a catalyst to the increase in share price? If one has the patience to wait for five years, so be it.  For those who entered at higher share prices of $4 and more, the wait maybe long to recover any paper losses. But for those who entered at current levels of $2.75, maybe the wait is still ok for a dividend yield of around 5% even if share prices were to languish at current levels of around $3 per share for a few years.
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alexchew Master	07-Feb-2017 13:25        alexchew About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	its wrong concept to assume a defensive stock will always be defensive. But people' s mindset are hard to change. Same like property, they always believe that if i buy today, i will have capital gain when i sell it. This is no longer the truth for the next 20 years for singapore. Property likely to be stagnant or ppl realised that it is similar to a car, with an expiry. With more hdb coming past 30 to 40 years age, it will be a question for the govt to address if it is an asset or liability. If you use it for income generation for rental, you are safe to a certain extent. But if you buy a 35 year old flat today for occupancy, and sell it 30 years later, i am quite sure you will lose money. jeremyow      ( Date: 07-Feb-2017 12:58) Posted: Assuming one has bought Starhub' s shares previously at average price of $4 per share and now it has dropped to current levels of under $3. If one do nothing and continue to hold one' s shares. At potential dividend of 16 cents per share from this year onwards and assuming dividends for next few years remain stagnant at 16 cents per share and Starhub' s share price continues to trade around $3 per share taking into account its financial performance remains stagnant over the few years, an investor will need slightly around 6 years to breakeven on the fall in share price from $4 to $3. Now, it all depends on how Starhub will perform this year and next few years. If financial performance remain stagnant, then its share price may also remain stagnant. It is just that realistic. Share prices move according to the earnings of a business. Stagnant earnings result in stagnant share prices. Investors who buy into Starhub' s shares now will hope that its financial performance can improve over the next few years. If not, why buy into the shares and watch the share price remain stagnant and it may take a while for dividends to cover over the fall in share price? The same goes for O& G stocks which have been bashed down in their share prices over the past three to four years. For many of them, their share prices continue to languish at a lower level. Collection of dividends alone can barely breakeven on the fall in share prices. So, whenever there is a fall in share prices, it really set back the returns of an investor. He may find that it is just wasting time for the share price to recover and dividends will take a while to cover back the loss from the fall in share prices. Of course, one may argue that Starhub is not of the same breed as cyclical O& G stocks. I would say that as long as the share price languish for a few years, whether defensive or cyclical, it does not matter at all. The investor would have lost his time in waiting for the share price to recover and relying on dividends may take a while to cover back the sustained loss from the fall and languish in share prices to recover slowly a paper loss. One to two years maybe still good waiting time to be patiently waiting for recovery in share prices. But what about waiting five years until there is an increase in earnings and thus a catalyst to the increase in share price? If one has the patience to wait for five years, so be it.  For those who entered at higher share prices of $4 and more, the wait maybe long to recover any paper losses. But for those who entered at current levels of $2.75, maybe the wait is still ok for a dividend yield of around 5% even if share prices were to languish at current levels of around $3 per share for a few years.  earlybird14      ( Date: 07-Feb-2017 11:13) Posted: Individual shall do own due diligence. 4 cents is given by StarHub as guidance. Since they cannot maintain 5 cents, where give you the confidence that they can pay 4 cents after 4th telco join the game. 5% dividend is great? Since yesterday till today, 2 day how many percent has dropped? From 4 plus dollar till today 2.75, how many percent has dropped? 5% really so great than StarHub won't drop from 4 plus to say 2.75, and nobody can guarantee if will they drop below 2 with the challenge ahead
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