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investshare
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21-Aug-2016 12:44
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Singapore already lose out in semiconductor, selling away Chartered and Stats. If marine also lose out, what's left in Sg?
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sgng123
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21-Aug-2016 12:16
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Why sg gov should save those offshore companies as 90% of their workforce are non singaporean, best to let them belly up. Banks would suffer but it the rich that feeling the pains so no issue, eliminate the sunset ibdustries and clean up sg marine sector. |
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investshare
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21-Aug-2016 12:03
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This coming from EY, I think if no wind, there's no wave.
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WanSiTong
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21-Aug-2016 10:13
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Singapore defaults boost calls for state aid as oil firms falter Singapore companies struggling to meet debt obligations as oil prices slump may get more support from the government if the economy deteriorates further, according to global auditing firm EY. UBS Group AG' s wealth management unit warns more defaults are possible. " It' s possible that off-budget measures may be introduced, as the government has done previously, to help these businesses tide over the slowdown should economic conditions worsen," said Chia Seng Chye, a tax partner at EY in Singapore. Read more.....L i n k Chinese version....pls visit " Thought of the Moment" (TOM) thread . Happy reading~   |
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willisow
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20-Aug-2016 15:45
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Thank you n u r welcome :)
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pinkowl
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20-Aug-2016 15:19
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Hi Wilisow, thanks for the detailed analysis, and for the trouble of rewriting this when it didn't go thru the first time (SJ sometimes disallow posts containing certain words or links to go through).
This is very useful insights. I'll give it some thoughts. All the best to you too.
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willisow
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20-Aug-2016 14:48
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Hello pinkowl, thanks for your message..an hour ago I replied your message but didn' t go through not sure whether is it becos sj blacklist me for giving recommend :p during time of turbulent there are negative news, rumour n etc affecting our investment decision. Some are valid n some are not thus we have to refer back to the financial statement n the company past performance to determine whether is it a viable investment option. Although past performance can' t guarantee the future it does tell u how the management conduct it' s business operation. Currently many investor are worried of the increased in loan provision by banks from sg, hk n prc..in evaluating a company we focus on its operating profit which is the core performance of the company..loan provision will be added back into its cashflow becos it has already been taken out from the balance sheet (by deducting loan provision from the cashflow will be a double deduction) n we should not take provision amount declared by the bank not becos that we can' t trust them is more for conservative reason..personally I always increase the provision given by the bank by 100% meaning I give 200% provision for its bad debt thus im not affected by bad news from swiber case becos it is already more than accounted for. I have explained the technical part of adjusting the cashflow n balance sheet to other member before, u can refer to history if u want to know n details. Thus by looking at the operating income before loan provision, DBS has continue to grow in q2. Only ocbc have it' s operating income fallen, some of the hk n prc banks also have minor reduction in their operating income. For the past 10 years DBS have registered growth in its operating income except for 2008 it' s operating income fell by about 5%. Comparing to the peer from the western bank that have it' s operating income shed by 50% our local bank management is prudent. The current share price of DBS represent a 30% reduction in operating income n it basically provided a very good margin of safety to your capital. You can consider to split your capital into two buy. One for the current entry n second entry at sgd12 plus which represent a 40% reduction in operating income (quite unlikely to happen but no harm to play safe). The valuation indicated will not be reflected immediately becos mkt is very pessimistic now. It may take months to years to realize n you will see result as time goes by. Try to maintain a calm mindset, cautiously optimistic, focus more on your daily life n less to the media n stock price movement. You are right not becos u think that u r right is becos u have hard fact to support your decision. Got to be patience..all the best to you:)
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sgng123
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20-Aug-2016 13:42
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Follow ur heart, if oil crash again after no result from sept meeting, sti would crumble. SGX is heavily oil dependent market, any big move in oil affect sti. |
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pinkowl
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20-Aug-2016 12:33
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I recently bought dbs. However, a voice in me is telling me to sell it due to poor economy, stagnant property market (hence reduced lendings) and potential oil and gas defaults.
The good thing about dbs is its a national bank and price has been depressed due to negative news/sentiment. And interest rate hikes can potentially benefit banks' bottomline. I'll like to know your thoughts on this. Thanks.
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pinkowl
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20-Aug-2016 12:26
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Thanks for sharing. Appreciate this very much. 😊
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buysellbuysell
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20-Aug-2016 12:23
Yells: "someone please sell down low so that others can buy low" |
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$700 million SGD exposure to swiber is that true?  if it' s true then probably we look at the numbers for DBS. $700 million = 700 x $1,000,000 = $700,000,000.00 SGD. now think about what' s going to happen to the fund managers at DBS? and what the accountants and top management will tell the fund managers at DBS? beg, steal, borrow, get my $$$ back, you %#*$($%^)#$YK fund manager probably. to my view $700,000,000.00 is a LOT of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. think again what is it that made me write this. DYODD. |
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willisow
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20-Aug-2016 11:11
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Hi guys, sharing of opportunities..for those who are interested in casino stock, galaxy entertainment is a very good option to consider..it is one of the blue chip under the hsi, fundamentally strong company, zero net debt..their land bank is enough to double their current hotel capacity as such they only pay special dividend becos cash are used for further investment which they are in the process of doing so..based on Q1 result valuation is at hkd28.15 n thats a 6% growth as compared to end 2015. I have recently exited to switch into DBS n I intend to re-enter when it' s price dip further. This is the second time I exited from galaxy this year..Macau casino have stabilize n galaxy is the first operator to registered positive growth. as compared to local casino which is still going through the correction process in term of its business...thus those who are interested can go for the arbitrage profit when it' s price fall further..just to clarify I don' t derive any benefit from such sharing..I' m a full time investor n basically everyday I' m doing research on all my investment targets. If these recommendation are lucky enough to bring profit to u I only hope that u can donate a fraction of your profit to the SPCA or any charity organization that help the stray dogs n cats...likewise for those who have invested in DBS is a very good decision becos it' s valuation stand at about sgd20 n the arbitrage profit is attractive...thank you |
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willisow
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20-Aug-2016 10:48
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willisow
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19-Aug-2016 22:27
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Ok..I still don' t know what' s going on..probably I' m a slow thinker. Anyway let' s move on. Have a nice weekend :)
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WanSiTong
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19-Aug-2016 22:02
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Willisow...what you commented.....I couldn' t agree with you more. Thanks for your sharing and support of DBS. Sorry for any misunderstanding I may have caused... in fact I posted those quotes just to support your argument + writing. Happy Investing! Huat arh~ Good night!  
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Immortal
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19-Aug-2016 19:34
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Chartist or Value....ain" t matter....as long as make profit.. good enough DBS up and away   |
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willisow
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19-Aug-2016 18:30
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Hi wansitong, I' m not sure these are for, I guess is you are telling me about chartist..correct me if I' m wrong. Im eager to share my view about chartist as well as listen to yours, thus we can have an friendly exchange. However if I happen to offend u pls forgive me. Before learning value approach I have spent considerable of time researching chartist method. However in reality I think it is very difficult to apply reason being are as follow 1) as chartist focus on the movement of share price probability is the underlying factor for success. Everyday a trader will have a 50% right or 50% wrong. Similar to the casino big n small each bet carry a 50% probability. However the more the number of bet made the probability of getting right will be lower n lower thus it is difficult to win the casino. The only way to win the big n small game is to double your bet each time you play. Example if I put $100 n lose the first bet, to win back my capital plus profit $100 I will have to double my bet to $200 n if I lose the second round third round I will have to bet $600..however casino are smart they cap your bet limit n that' s the reason y we can never win them. Likewise for trading the more u trade the difficult u will win but stock mkt is different from casino, there is no bet limit thus you will be a successful trader if u have unlimited capital becos everyday u have 50% right n there will be a day that u will be right but that is provided u have unlimited capital.   2) second way to be a successful trader is to hold on to your win n cut losses when the share price drop. To achieve this trader will rely heavily on indexes like the RSI, macd n etc..this could be an appropriate method when we look at it as an individual trader, imagin all the trader in the stock mkt exercise the same selling price according to the RSI result, there will be a demand n supply issue becos not enough buyer volume to accommodate the instruction n if there are bad news circulating around those trader that can' t sell off their shares will press further down the share price by selling even cheaper. This always happen when mkt plunge becos everybody is relying on the same information.  The above are my shallow understanding toward chartist, you are welcome to enlighten me if u have more indept explanation..good day
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lionking
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19-Aug-2016 16:40
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waiting at 14.60 to invest for recovery |
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WanSiTong
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19-Aug-2016 15:18
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willisow
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19-Aug-2016 14:37
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Of cos..if u have your own channel n resources to further check the company it will be even better, more is better less..for myself Im only an ordinary investor, I don' t have such access..thus value approach wii be useful..no worry, I welcome different views after all we can learn from each other..more is better than less :p
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