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epicremy
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05-Aug-2016 10:23
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FATABA
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05-Aug-2016 10:20
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Dividend of 30c is consider given....only issue is how far from $1B profit this qtr. Swiber is $150M provision ( last mentioned) ....which is now a matter of Q2 result might not include this or not ( I think it would) and if it turn out above 900M profit. I think they are doing well in this climate. Let see ...so near to national day .  NO NDP bonus for sure. LOL
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Qanghoo
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05-Aug-2016 10:20
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Brother, I think sure got one, lah.  Will still ring in profit > 1 bill, come Monday - that' s my view.  Anyway, this Swiber thing is after end Q2.  So, maybe wait for uglier story only next qtr. 
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investshare
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05-Aug-2016 10:17
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Markets  |  Wed Aug 3, 2016 4:58am EDT
Related:  ENERGY,  FINANCIALS
UPDATE 1-Recent DBS loans to troubled Swiber raise eyebrows, draw shareholder ire 
* DBS made two loans to Swiber in June and July -document * The loans extended in weeks before Swiber filed for liquidation * Questions raised over how well Singapore banks know borrowers * The loans account for 27 pct of DBS' exposure to Swiber (Recast and writes through with shareholder comment) By Saeed Azhar and Aradhana Aravindan SINGAPORE, Aug 3 DBS Group Holdings, Singapore' s biggest bank, made two loans to oilfield services firm Swiber Holdings totalling $146 million weeks before the company filed for liquidation, according to court documents seen by Reuters. The loans, which account for 27 percent of DBS' s exposure to Swiber, raise questions about how well creditors to the troubled oil and gas services sector have been communicating with their borrowers and whether they were sufficiently aware of potential risks. Underscoring the confusion surrounding Swiber, the firm on Friday said it was no longer planning to wind itself up but would, with the support of DBS, instead seek judicial management, attempting to regain financial health under court supervision. " As shareholders, we were a little surprised at the level of exposure to a single entity in a precarious sector and by the recent additional bridging loan with, as it turns out, equally precarious safeguards," said Christopher Wong, senior  investment  manager in Aberdeen Asset Management Asia Ltd which owns DBS shares. The two loans, made in June and July, were used to redeem maturing bonds, an affidavit filed by Swiber chairman and founder, Raymond Goh, showed. DBS, which has a total exposure of S$700 million ($523 million) to Swiber, was also the main underwriter of Swiber' s corporate debt. Asked about the two loans, DBS said in a statement that it had provided financing in the form of a bridging loan to be repaid upon an expected equity injection from an investor. " Swiber' s projects financed by DBS were on track, and it had no overdue payments with the bank," it added. DBS is scheduled to report second-quarter earnings on Aug. 8. Its shares were down 0.5 percent in late afternoon trade and have fallen 7.2 percent since Swiber' s news came out early on Thursday compared to a 4.2 percent decline in the benchmark index. Swiber' s woes have sparked much angst about the outlook for the sector and Singapore' s banks. " The Swiber incident raises concerns that the current low credit costs incurred by the three Singapore banks on their oil and gas exposures will rise and weigh on their profitability in the second half of 2016," Simon Chen, senior analyst at Moody' s Investors Service. More borrowers may face  cash flow  strains and approach the banks for loan restructuring, he added. Swiber' s court filing also highlighted a delay in payment by UK-based fund AMTC, which had agreed to a $200 million deal to buy preference shares in a Swiber subsidiary. On July 20, Swiber' s board decided it would file for compulsory liquidation if the AMTC payment was not received by July 26. AMTC did not respond to a Reuters request for comment. ($1 = 1.3411 Singapore dollars) (Reporting by Saeed Azhar and Aradhana Aravindan Additional reporting by Anshuman Daga Editing by Edwina Gibbs) |
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Qanghoo
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05-Aug-2016 10:17
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Personally, I' m not DBS' best friend.  I just think they have been overly pampered n this has resulted in greater inflexibility (arrogance?).  But truth is my hsing loan is with them.  Why?  Cos, like I said, they'   ve got too much spare cash n I have found their rate usually more competitive.  On the other hand, I don' t put any investible funds with them.  N it always puzzles me when I see long qs at  their ATMs, wondering why the faithful following is so huge.  But looking at another angle, I think more people here probably have this sense that with ah gong' s hand behind, it' s still the safest bet.  This of course also means DBS has that additional responsbility to ensure that, whatever they do, they cannot fail their depositors.  Am I naive?    ....  I don' t think so.  But I' ll leave others to answer that qn too .....
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lionking
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05-Aug-2016 10:14
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waiting at 1450 :) |
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seanpent
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05-Aug-2016 10:06
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this is one bank whose performance could be reflective of our economy ..... DBS do well, economy do well, everyone rice bowl also not jeopardise, and love ones / family members can be safe and sound ..... may DBS be blessed too .....    
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Wind22i
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05-Aug-2016 10:05
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Relax la...u can either believe in our economy or these guys "Harsh Modi and Raunak Mukherjee".. | ||||
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Just4win
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05-Aug-2016 10:04
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Both OCBC & UOB have declared dividends to shareholders. If DBS does not give ( I am sure they will) , or even with dividends less than 30cts, market will view it negatively.   On the other hand, with Swiber case ( really bad timing), not sure if it is business sense to par at 30 cts dividends.  
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pinkowl
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05-Aug-2016 10:02
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Those with long term view need not worry too much. DBS is our national bank.  Those with short term view, should expect volatility for at least the next few days/weeks.
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Qanghoo
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05-Aug-2016 09:57
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Yep, still very solid.  My own sense is one of their problems is they have too much funds (partly because of the acquisition of POSB) n need to deploy it meaningfully.  Now with loan growth -ve,  n the property sector in a long slumber, a bit of higher-risk cld be inevitable.  It' s like the devil or the deep blue sea kind of thing.  Still, I believe Swiber was probably a one-off (they wld probably have had their rationale for risk-assessing Swiber the way they did anyway) n overall they  continue to be very sound.  But people have obviously taken advantage of the situation to trample the stock which cld be good for others with a longterm view who understand the stock. 
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FATABA
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05-Aug-2016 09:54
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CEO DBS give an interview CNBC 2nd aug on the loan etc. ( not an issue as its managed and provision taken)  Not surprise as BB attack DBS as its their sweetest target to accumulate in this tough time  ( can you imagine geting it below 15 ...and solid bank of SEA) anyway JP not qualify to comment especially if we know their records....many are for self benefit. Certainly this coming results will draw extra pairs of eyesss....but dividend of 30c is relatively sure I hope. Happy investing.
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seanpent
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05-Aug-2016 09:50
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many many have love ones who placed money or have housing loans in this bank ..... at end of day, they will be blessed .....
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pinkowl
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05-Aug-2016 09:46
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A lot of people will want to attack DBS now....fund houses, news agencies, shortists etc...for their own interests. Stay clear for a while longer till attacks all out. 
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seanpent
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05-Aug-2016 09:44
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bro got a logical point ..... just hoping those who already bought don' t panic sell ..... and those who waiting to buy don' t rush into it, especially those short term trading type  (less buying then less chance for shortists to exploit) ..... overall, DBS is still a very solid bank ..... not to mention that this is still as good a national bank to us .....
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FATABA
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05-Aug-2016 09:43
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Wonder your objective of using the word. " must come clean " . even if u classify this loan as over extended ....its agreesive but the " come clean " is a total diff issue and matters. DBS has 17/18B loan in the oil sector alone....JP Morgain recent article is bias ( if u read it ) ....do they have loans too?  Pot calling kettle black and wonder how many times they are fine .... Anyway wonder why u thk JM is worst then liquidation ?  If so creditors are really stupid ?  ( u think so ) Anyway, over time a company is back by its fundamental ....we wait and see.  
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Qanghoo
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05-Aug-2016 09:38
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Brother,  I' m waiting  for result first.  CEO wld give a briefing, n there' d be presentation slides, so that we can make better sense.  Right now is we don' t know if some chng kays (including the ang mos) are taking advantage to force px down.
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seanpent
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05-Aug-2016 09:34
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think all wait at 14.80 instead .....
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Just4win
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05-Aug-2016 09:31
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Hei123, are u still waiting for 14.8 ? Reaching soon
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nyde1d1th
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05-Aug-2016 09:26
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support broken convincingly .... interesting... |
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