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China Fishery - Low PE
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29-Nov-2015 14:24
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Nobody.. advice is not to own china stocks. rather own those chinese stocks listed in hongkong...
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huafaster
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29-Nov-2015 08:59
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Who can come out to save small share holders? | ||||
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pattanispirit
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28-Nov-2015 15:10
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only Temasek or  China Investment Corp can buy them out now. think China would be keen to acquire a coy who control majority supply of fish, fish meals, etc.    |
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moron101
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28-Nov-2015 12:28
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Both counters converted halt to suspension liao!! Feel sorry to those still stuck. Be prepared for the worst to come.. | ||||
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ecekca
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28-Nov-2015 11:09
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Avoid would be best
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nngeeh
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28-Nov-2015 11:07
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For the famous ABL case, even though the remisiers have written to finance minister to express concern of the impact of the prolong CAD investigation on the whole financial market, there are still no news from them after more than 2 years of investigation. Are we really confident that CAD has sufficient proof before they start investigating? If we have more such prolong investigation, there will be less and less companies that are willing to list here.
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Qanghoo
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28-Nov-2015 10:06
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Do we see a potential silver lining though.  If the assets are really around 50c/share, n even if a white knight comes along to pay half that amt for it, those holding at around cost of 10 to 20c wld still make $$$? |
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Qanghoo
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28-Nov-2015 10:02
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Sadly, though, the inpropriety/ies was/were allegedly committed by the main shareholders.  So, while the coy seemed to have been doing reasonably well, perhapes if not for El Nino, n taking steps to reduce debt, the alleged fraudulent action/s of the shareholders, with probably no regard for minorities whatsoever, may have created undue n unfair sufferings for minorities, caveate emptor notwithstanding.  I' ve always contended that the fervent preaching of governance n transparency,  is no  comfort cos it only creates a false sense of security where, on the one hand,  inevitably investors wld be blinded to potential booby traps around them n, on the other hand, monkeys prance around a safe haven unknown to unsuspecting minorities.  N while regulators n other policing people are probably constantly  on the prowl to nib any  misdeeds in the bud, credit to them, the nature of their watch is such that it might take them a long time to surface any substance (in this CFG case, it took four yrs or longer).  God knows how many more sgx-listed coys might be similarly tainted as skeletons like these seem  to fall out of the cupboard ever so often .  Perhaps it might be timely to re-appraise the whole setup here.  But whatever it is, it never hurts to exercise extra caution cos its our hard-earned $$$ that we need to safeguard most of all.   
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nngeeh
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28-Nov-2015 09:26
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Most company relies on loan to survive. Just look at o& g like Swibe, Ezra or Ezion which have bond expiring in the next 3 years. If CAD suspects fraud to investigate, no bank will extend loan and no shareholder will dare to buy their future bond, the company will collapse as in the case of China Fish. If CAD start investigating with just minimum proof, it will actually cause the company to collapse which is not fair to shareholders. Just look at ABL, there is no announcement after 2-3 years.... And how badly their share is performing now. If the fraud is committed by external, the CAD starts investigating the company, it will not be fair to punish the company and shareholders.    
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ysh2006
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28-Nov-2015 07:32
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Bank pull the plug and may caused leaking in this fishing boat , suspended with immediate effect loh...
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27-Nov-2015 22:15
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Maybe you are right there are things we don't know. Not all banks give the NGs face. HSBC choose to give them a lesson. | ||||
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Qanghoo
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27-Nov-2015 22:03
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I thought the Ngs are Malaysians? NJS was educated in spore though.  From what we are reading above, it' s still a very valuable coy.  Probably, their over-speculative inventory management might have let them down.  But it appears short-term squeeze.  So, HSBC' s action seems baffling - probably there might be something we don' t know..Also, they cld do an IPO for part of copeinca?  But if HSBC chooses to plays hard ball all the way, they cld be in real trouble. 
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lcfarn
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27-Nov-2015 21:45
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Clock ticking on Ng family&rsquo s control of debt-laden China Fishery Tom Seaman
Undercurrent News | November 27, 2015, 10:56 am
  Time is not on the side of the Ng family, as disgruntled lender HSBC tries to push China Fishery Group into liquidation. The Ngs, who control Hong Kong listed Pacific Andes International Holdings and its Singapore listed subsidiaries China Fishery and Pacific Andes Resources Development, face accelerated debt re-payments that ratings agency Standard and Poor&rsquo s (S& P) says they are unlikely to be able to cover. Having already triggered an event of default (EoD) on the terms of its $300 million senior  unsecured notes  due in 2019 by missing a $31m interest payment, an agreement from 25% of the note holders could force accelerated repayment of the principals and interest imminently. In addition to the $300m notes, the company also has a $650m loan [due March 2018] and revolving facility from HSBC, Rabobank, DBS Bank, China CITIC International, and Standard Chartered, provided in March 2014. The bonds and loans are guaranteed by Copeinca, the prospects for which are being impacted by El Nino causing a cut in total allowable catch for the second season, to 1.1m metric tons. China Fishery is declining to comment on the process. &ldquo After an EoD happens, and if more than 25% of the bond holders agree, China Fishery will need to immediately repay all principal and accrued and nonpaid interest,  which we believe they don&rsquo t have the means to,&rdquo Lillian Chiou, an analyst with S& P, told Undercurrent News. &ldquo We don&rsquo t think they have the financial capacity to meet this kind of re-payment immediately. It is getting into a very difficult situation for them, for sure,&rdquo she said. &ldquo In theory&rdquo , this accelerated re-payment could happen at any time, said Chiou. This, however, &ldquo could  be the last straw&rdquo , she said, the day after S& P downgraded China Fishery to &ldquo SD&rdquo , or selective default. Meanwhile, China Fishery, which is the holding for the family&rsquo s fishing interests in Peru and Africa and its Russian pollock sourcing operations, will also trigger an EoD if the company can&rsquo t dismiss the court order appointing KPMG as provisional liquidators. &ldquo There  could be  another EoD on the involuntary assignment of the liquidator,&rdquo said Chiou. If China Fishery can&rsquo t dismiss this within 60 days of the [KPMG] appointment on Nov. 25, this triggers immediate accelerate of repayment on principal and interests, with no need for 25% of votes from notes holders, she told Undercurrent. &ldquo How can China Fishery avoid the accelerate of repayment? Seek majority of the notes holders to agree and waive the acceleration of repayment,&rdquo she said. &ldquo If China Fishery does not file an objection, another way they can get out of it is, they can get the majority of bondholders to consent and provide a waiver, so they don&rsquo t need to immediately repay.&rdquo Another scenario is, if the company accepts the assignment of the liquidator and agrees with the court&rsquo s decision, it will also trigger an EoD and they will need to repay of all outstanding principal and interest immediately, she said. Provisional liquidator limits options  The appointment of three KPMG executives as provisional liquidators, one of which, Edward Middleton, was involved in the liquidation of Lehman Brothers in Hong Kong, means China Fishery has less room for maneuver on trying to generate liquidity. &ldquo If the company wants to do any asset sales, they would need to get approvals from the provisional liquidators,&rdquo said Chiou. &ldquo They have been in talks with banks about extending the lending facilities and there must be some discussions with banks about what liquidity they can find,&rdquo she said. &ldquo We know they have  very low  cash  balance. The other way to get cash is to sell assets. They still have the China Fishery fleet, which is  underutilized  at the moment. The Namibia operation is  still loss-making,&rdquo said Chiou. &ldquo So, they must be looking at how they can cash out. Now, however, with the [appointment of the] provisional liquidator, they will not be able to do things as freely as before.&rdquo According to its latest accounts, China Fishery has $41.3m in cash as of June 28, compared to $170.5m six months prior. Why now for HSBC? The decision of HSBC to push for a wind up of China Fishery has raised some eyebrows, despite the tough situation for the highly leveraged company. &ldquo It is very rare for Asian high yield lenders to do this kind of extreme action. Imagine you are HSBC you know the company is in distress, but the assets are still worth a lot,&rdquo said Chiou. &ldquo If the company sells its assets slowly and quietly, you might get the best out of this.&rdquo By filing this court order pushing for a winding up, you are pushing the company to distress, she said. This could cut the buying price by half, at least, said Chiou. &ldquo I think there must be some very unhappy discussions, something must have happened with them and HSBC.&rdquo Despite its considerable debt issues, China Fishery still has a valuable asset in its Peruvian fishmeal and fish oil operations, despite the lower quota set for this year. China Fishery paid around $782m for Copeinca. " Then they still have  their  own fishing quota licenses in Peru, so  their Peruvian operation  could easily worth over $1 billion,&rdquo she said. The outstanding debt for the $650m club  loan is $420m and the bond is $300m. &ldquo So, there is only $720m.  They still have some inventory and working capital loans, but not material,&rdquo she said. &ldquo There is a net asset value there, so they could have a very good recovery prospect, if they want to liquidate the company quietly.&rdquo The move from HSBC, however, changes the game. &ldquo Now, if I am a buyer, I am going to offer a very low price. I know that the company has a court order pushing for it to be liquidated, so I am going to offer a very low price and you have to accept it,&rdquo she said. &ldquo Think about how many can buy fishing licenses in the world there are only limited buyers who can do it.&rdquo Copeinca a drag on margin Since buying Copeinca, China Fishery has struggled to bring its performance up in line with its own operations, however. &ldquo When they bought Copeinca, we compared the profitability in Peru. The China Fishery ebitda [earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization] margins where the highest in the market,&rdquo said Chiou. They  seem to  have  more  modern equipment  that allows better operating efficiency,  and also are closest to the Chinese market for the fishmeal sales, she said. &ldquo This means they can keep the margin  while  others lose going through middlemen. If  their peers  was  selling  at $1,800 per metric ton, they  seem to be able to  sell at $1,900-$1,950/t,&rdquo said Chiou. &ldquo Recently, when we tracked their performance in Peru, their margin came down. Maybe the lower operating efficiency from Copeinca is dragging it down.&rdquo The company is also a lot more aggressive than other fishery companies in Peru, she said. The inventory level at $220m at the end of June, a &ldquo historic high&rdquo . All the other companies in the market had sold inventory, in preparation for disruption from El Nino. &ldquo They knew the season would not be good, so they want to get cash in, to cover operating costs. China Fishery was not doing that, as they were speculating on the market price going up  with a low TAC [total allowable catch] for season B. By the time they reported the Q3 results  ended in June, they had only contracted 60-70%, whereas other peers had contracted 100%,&rdquo she said. As reported by Undercurrent, prices have not increased as some expected, with the market waiting to see if the price would drop before placing orders. This is part of the cause of the &ldquo record low&rdquo cash level at the end of Q3, at $41.7m. &ldquo This shows you how aggressive this company is at managing their cash,  working capital,  and potentially  speculating on the market price as well,&rdquo she said.  
 
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ysh2006
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27-Nov-2015 21:01
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Still no announcement from SGX...no update too!
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pattanispirit
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27-Nov-2015 17:16
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China Fishery is owned by Pac Andes, which is controlled by local Singaporean Ng family. Not a China stock probably called China Fishery coz China is their biggest customers. All top management are brothers, sisters and their 79 yo mother. The founder has passed away in 2006 which is the year of IPO listing.   |
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GuavaXF30
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27-Nov-2015 11:34
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Another China stock bites the dust. And SGX keeps inviting them to list here. SIAS was right is questioning the role of SGX being a commercial company with natural self-interest in earning income through increased revenue opportunities,  and at the same time tasked to safe guard the national trading platform. MAS have to address this very serious issue.
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Zindarion
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27-Nov-2015 11:26
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Yes... typical bank
Also a lesson to learn, never trust china company for long term growth. Nice PE, low risk, huge cash, good story of growth and etc etc. All con job... one by one taking away hard earn money. Not even bones left for ppl to chew.
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lcfarn
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27-Nov-2015 11:23
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Typical behaviour of banks. They lend you umbrella on sunny days and take it back on rainy days. Moral of story is don' t over-borrow from banks for expansion plans. Must learn to be conservative !   |
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Zindarion
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27-Nov-2015 11:13
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China Fishery Group Ltd. failed to repay a $31 million installment due earlier this month on a $650 million loan, according to Standard & Poor?s.
?As a result, one of the lenders successfully applied for provisional liquidators, indicating that the lender is unwilling to negotiate for further extensions or waivers,? S&P said in a Thursday statement. HSBC Holdings Plc, one of the lenders to the loan, has filed an application to the High Court of Hong Kong to appoint provisional liquidators to the Singapore-listed fishing group. HSBC spokesman Adam Harper said in an e-mail that he can?t comment and Katie Tsui, an investor relations officer at China Fishery, also declined. China Fishery, with operations in Peru, has seen a decline in profits since the beginning of this year. Its cash position dwindled to $41.3 million as at June 28 from $170.5 million half a year earlier. In August, China Fishery and its parent Pacific Andes International Holdings Ltd. said they had received notices from the Monetary Authority of Singapore and the Commercial Affairs Department stating they were being investigated for an offence under the Securities and Futures Act. ?We believe creditor banks might have found it difficult to roll over the maturing debt given a lack of transparency of the investigations and the potential impact of El Nino,? JPMorgan Chase & Co. analyst Daniel Fan said in a Thursday research note. ?The key focus is more about whether China Fishery?s rights-to-catch in Peru is being affected on the latest round of negative developments, which is more important than asset coverage.?
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pattanispirit
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26-Nov-2015 21:32
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This is probably first one in Sgx history that a local listed Sg originated coy defaulting bond distribution and got wound up.
Bad reputation for Sgx & Singapore brand. Somemore, Sgx gg to open up bond investment to smaller investors. Bad advertisement, comparable to 3rd world coy. |
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