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For those who had bought at ard 2.60 (I recall trading at ard 2.5+), n still holding till now, the nominal loss at a px of 0.28 wld be abt 40%+, disregarding the div over the yrs (now div is peanuts, but during the commodity super cycle when CPO was at a much more buoyant level it wld have been much higher, I can' t recall exactly how much though). For those who had GAR ' free' , they wld have to revert to their Amcol share px to quanty any loss/gain. But, going forward, my sense is GAR is likely to move up in tandem with CPO px in the medium term (say, within next 1-2 yrs). GAR is dismal cos CPO px seems continuing to sink with no bottom in sight (as low as RM 1968 the last few days - one reason is that the competing substitute soya bean is also sh*t, no thanks, among other things, to Duckie n his antics, causing the PRC to scale down import of ang moh soya). There is hope though .... in El Nino. During the last EN abt 3 yrs ago, CPO reached abt RM 3100+, n GAR reached as high as close to 50c. That' s why I' ve the next EN on my radar. Hopefully, it cld hit sooner rather than later n be pretty severe too (but be prepared for burning weather) to push CPO to, say => RM 3600. Then, GAR cld be even more buoyant than 50 or even 60c. Then long suffering holders might want to take a serious look at exiting. In the meantime, some who might want to ' pok' might want to consider averaging at current px levels if they consider save. My personal view is current level is bottom oc near bottom already. Dyodd as always though.
AhLiang ( Date: 20-Jun-2019 10:55) Posted:
The way to reduce the loss is to buy double now and hold. But no more 0.27 and below. Ang the only way to get 0.275 is to buy 0.28 at closing time. If luck good can get 0.275.
destinykraze ( Date: 20-Jun-2019 08:21) Posted:
| Even then, early owners are still looking at steep losses, disregarding the holding period |
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To me, even $10 wld be daylight robbery if ever privatised at all.
john_ric ( Date: 18-Oct-2018 15:06) Posted:
if they want to go private they will dump it low low like m1 , tigerAir, say to $2.xx, then pick up durians. retailers all lan-lan cant do anything.
limkt009 ( Date: 01-Oct-2018 13:33) Posted:
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Brother, if u are asking abt OCBC, my haunch is that it cld be ard 11.70 to < 10.
kandinsky ( Date: 19-Jun-2019 21:56) Posted:
| What is your trading range? |
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But what are the chances of the infant maturing to adulthood?
makdatok ( Date: 19-Jun-2019 18:22) Posted:
| 5 days of oil movement shows uptrend in its infancy |
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With interest rates on downtrend (EU also joining the fund to let interest slide), the more likely scenario is chng kays are more likely to manoeuvre the three local bks' share px southwards. It' gonna be a gradual process though, no cld take the form of a number of roller-coaster rides, creating trading opportunities to make $$$$ for astute traders. Expectation is FED is not likely to lower rates yet, but 2H19 will see 1, or even 2, 25-basis pt cuts.
kandinsky ( Date: 19-Jun-2019 18:34) Posted:
| I offloaded ocbc and jumped to dbs, anyway I hope all the banks fly. |
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Think there were two share splits, bonus n rights issues that also diluted the px. I have ard 2600 shares (not even sure now cos have not bothered for a long time) which initially were ard 500 shares given as dividend in specie by Asia Food N Properties (now Sinarmas Land) when it listed GAR. They have ' grown' to ard 2600 due to the share splits n bonuses. I didn' t take up the rights offer.
AhLiang ( Date: 19-Jun-2019 14:00) Posted:
I hope they didn't 'average-down' from $2. Like Indofood at 0.20/0.22, GAR at the present price is a buy.
destinykraze ( Date: 19-Jun-2019 12:37) Posted:
The good old days for golden agri were ppl talking about how great golden agri is... and the price was above $2. This is one of the stocks are are very popular with the older generation for some reason.
Hope there comes a day when these shareholder can recoup their losses. Another good reminder, not to chase the hype train. |
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US 10yr bond yields sliding quite a bit - at ard 2.05 now. Seems a interest-rate cut cld be bing priced in. If so, pretty +ve for Ox.
Qanghoo ( Date: 18-Jun-2019 15:37) Posted:
| Interest rates on down cycle? Shd benefit Ox, shldn' t it? |
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Interest rates on down cycle? Shd benefit Ox, shldn' t it?
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Think it seems a familiar story with so many of us. Maybe, it' s just our perception that we are ' sway' ?
ahhuat08 ( Date: 18-Jun-2019 14:59) Posted:
when i bot uob, uob lags behind dbs
when i bot dbs, it lags behind uob
sighzzzzzz. |
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He push up to buy shampoo?
FATABA ( Date: 18-Jun-2019 15:03) Posted:
UOB is 25.55 and DBS only 24.85 .......a cool 70c more .
Wow what is there to justify this lead ? Or Mr Wee pushing it up ...lol
ahhuat08 ( Date: 18-Jun-2019 14:59) Posted:
when i bot uob, uob lags behind dbs
when i bot dbs, it lags behind uob
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I' ve read no small number of posts in the Hyflux thread where uncles n aunties are labelled ' greedy' for having bought Hyflux' s perpetuals. Well, let' s just remind ourselves that we are all humans who wld naturally seek to park our funds in investments which we perceive offer the best returns n (hopefully) where our principles are in the safest hands. Truth though is one can never say never ......
Qanghoo ( Date: 15-Jun-2019 23:07) Posted:
" This product is only suitable for investors who: ....are prepared to lose their principal investment if the Issuer fails to repaythe amount due under the Class A-1 Bonds ......"
In short, this is a very clear reminder from the Hyflux book. Lots of people do have short memories, don' t they?
like2learn ( Date: 15-Jun-2019 17:11) Posted:
i know to some i may be stating the obvious, but anyway, as stated in the first page of prospectus :
https://www.astrea.com.sg/file/a5/resources/astrea-v-pte-ltd-final-prospectus-dated-11-june-2019.pdf
" This product is only suitable for investors who: ....are prepared to lose their principal investment if the Issuer fails to repaythe amount due under the Class A-1 Bonds ......" dun think it' s guaranteed by Temasek too.
Ok well, just like shares, stocks ..... but do note that it is 3.85% returns for the risk undertaken. Go in with eyes open.  |
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Fundamentally though, to me, having a proper extradition framework is a critical ingredient that spells out clarity n certainty. It is so unfortunate that this has been almost completely lost in the skewed focus on the mistrust of what the PRC might exploit the proposed legislation for.
Starship ( Date: 15-Jun-2019 17:07) Posted:
Hong Kong suspends controversial extradition bill after mass protests
Updated 0831 GMT (1631 HKT) June 15, 2019
Hong Kong (CNN)Hong Kong will suspend a controversial China extradition bill, its leader said Saturday, in an apparent bid to quell further unrest and mass demonstrations throughout the semi-autonomous Chinese city.Speaking after consultations with lawmakers, Chief Executive Carrie Lam said passage of the bill would be suspended and a second reading due to take place this month canceled. There is no timeline for discussions around the bill to resume, Lam said, and she indicated it likely will not pass this year.
" We have made many attempts to narrow differences and eliminate doubts," Lam said. " In the last week, tens of thousands of people took part in protests and gatherings. " In the last week, tens of thousands of people took part in protests and gatherings. Serious conflicts broke out ... resulting in a number of police officers, media workers and other members of the public being injured. I am saddened by this."
She added that in suspending the bill she hoped the government could " restore calmness" to society. Failure to do so would " deal another blow to the society," Lam said.
Addressing the media, Saturday, Lam blamed herself for failure to communicate effectively to the public. She said the original driving force of the bill was a murder case in Taiwan, in which the alleged perpetrator, a Hong Kong man, fled to the city. That case, Lam said, highlighted " loopholes" in the current law with regards to Greater China.
" As a responsible government we needed to find a solution to deal with this murder case (and) give justice to the family," Lam said.
While she said the " original purpose of the bill is correct in my mind," Lam added that " our communication has not been adequate."
" I feel deep sorrow and regret that the deficiencies in my work and other factors has stirred up deep dissatisfaction and controversies in society," Lam said, adding that she and her team would " adopt the most sincere and humble attitude" in future.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/06/15/asia/hong-kong-extradition-bill-pause-intl-hnk/index.html |
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" This product is only suitable for investors who: ....are prepared to lose their principal investment if the Issuer fails to repaythe amount due under the Class A-1 Bonds ......"
In short, this is a very clear reminder from the Hyflux book. Lots of people do have short memories, don' t they?
like2learn ( Date: 15-Jun-2019 17:11) Posted:
i know to some i may be stating the obvious, but anyway, as stated in the first page of prospectus :
https://www.astrea.com.sg/file/a5/resources/astrea-v-pte-ltd-final-prospectus-dated-11-june-2019.pdf
" This product is only suitable for investors who: ....are prepared to lose their principal investment if the Issuer fails to repaythe amount due under the Class A-1 Bonds ......" dun think it' s guaranteed by Temasek too.
Ok well, just like shares, stocks ..... but do note that it is 3.85% returns for the risk undertaken. Go in with eyes open. |
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Elect can be sold to the grid through the electricity pooling system.
ysh2006 ( Date: 15-Jun-2019 05:35) Posted:
So China company with govt link want to come in only take power station no desaltdination plant than sell electricity to who ?....Maybe just delay tatics for court to extend JM application by 8 banks only...
Stephenchow ( Date: 15-Jun-2019 05:26) Posted:
Finally one more news:- ah Tiong or their favourite is here
Hyflux Ltd. (the &ldquo Company&rdquo , and together with its subsidiaries, the &ldquo Group&rdquo ) refers to its ongoing court supervised reorganisation process and announcements on 25 April 2019, 3 May 2019, 10 May 2019 and 15 May 2019 in relation to receipt by the Company of non-binding letters of intent from potential investors. The Company wishes to announce that it has received another non-binding letter of intent for a potential investment in the Group by a potential investor based in China (the &ldquo Investor&rdquo ), subject to regulatory clearance, due diligence and the execution of a binding agreement on mutually agreeable terms. The Investor has previously executed a non-disclosure agreement and has commenced preliminary due diligence on the Group. The Investor is a subsidiary of a state-owned enterprise in the industrial field which works on a global scale to provide comprehensive power services. Other fields of expertise of the Investor&rsquo s holding company include wind and solar energy solutions, nuclear industry, medical technology and agriculture. The Investor has reserved its right to terminate discussions in relation to the potential investment if a judicial manager or liquidator is appointed over the Company or its subsidiaries. The Company is continuing its engagement with all potential investors and will make the appropriate announcements as and when there are any further material developments on the above matter. |
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Dip in water got use or not? The pulp can' t absorb water anymore !!!
hmmhmm ( Date: 13-Jun-2019 19:00) Posted:
Hmm....same insight....
now sugar cane squeeze until no more juice..... dip inside water then squeeze further and see how.... |
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On record, which was the only bk' s share that had touched $50 before? OCBC. Speaks a lot abt its underlying value.
Dreamer_1234 ( Date: 13-Jun-2019 12:41) Posted:
Typo... DBS or UOB
Dreamer_1234 ( Date: 13-Jun-2019 12:40) Posted:
| Do u think betting on DBS or OCBC better? The recovery usually faster then OCBC and their dividends also much higher... was wondering.... at this price, I am still not buying Cos I know it will take donkey months to reach my buying price of $12.65! So I just put this counter aside and venture elsewhere! |
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OCBC bk value way < true value?
kandinsky ( Date: 13-Jun-2019 09:48) Posted:
Close to book value expensive?
famouspinky ( Date: 13-Jun-2019 09:39) Posted:
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Seems to me that this is a highly manipulated counter.
Johnjohnnyhi ( Date: 07-Jun-2019 19:09) Posted:
| Agreed with the idea of ppl wanting to get out once they break even.
But this counter is paying good dividend, hence might attract buyer |
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Whe was there ever a need to use starhub tv pt in the first place?
jlim70 ( Date: 19-Jun-2018 10:33) Posted:
i think starhub will be badly affected by di\gital tv, cos there is no need to use Starhub tv points liao....
latebird2000 ( Date: 19-Jun-2018 10:21) Posted:
everyone scared.
but i am starting to nibble on starhub.
Prepared to put into my freezer or pass to my grand-grand kids. |
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Gahment is likely to be keeping a close watch n tweak cooling measures to keep mkt in check though.
Goldfinger ( Date: 01-Jun-2019 20:25) Posted:
What is bad for banks NIM from lower interest rates - will be incredibly good for SG property and REITs. I am totally exposed to the latter.
Qanghoo ( Date: 31-May-2019 17:12) Posted:
| US 10 bond yield now < 2.2%. Fast downward spiral. If the trade tensions continue, in bond yields continue to dive, how negative wld it be on SIBOR, n how badly wld it impact the local bks' NIM? Watch out for the next two qtrly results ..... |
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