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halt a bit longer then those naked selling will be jialat . it is good to see how their rebut , the truth will be clearer .
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Trading Halt !!
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Time to collect more when ppls selling on panic
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https://www.fool.sg/2019/04/24/best-world-international-limiteds-dividends-what-investors-should-know/
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Published by Bonitas. you google can find. but dont think the points are valid, especially they keep mentioning the trade payable increase substantially but the cash increaese even further. What is the motive for the management for manipulate the profit ? since the company doesnt have any bank loan , and for the few past years gave substantial dividend to their shareholders without right issue .
positivity88 ( Date: 24-Apr-2019 10:35) Posted:
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around 7k share left just checked, seen shortist start to cover the position
dyingcat ( Date: 18-Apr-2019 08:31) Posted:
| Lending pool only 46k shares left. Shortists can't borrow any more. If short, have to cover by 5pm. Good sign to move higher. |
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But the selling method in china for BWL is franchise and not MLM , it is really not relevant to each other, just like no one will say Mcdonald is MLM.
stockpicker ( Date: 17-Apr-2019 14:36) Posted:
Here is one of them recent caught
http://www.zhixiao100.com/?p=45111
stockpicker ( Date: 17-Apr-2019 14:30) Posted:
| It is not a difficult market. It is an impossible market to make money if one is trying to sell its products the normal way or legitimate way. There are just too much competitions and little hope in IP protection. If one has a good product today, tomorrow, there would be other brands selling the same product. In the older days, bribery worked very well China as there were thousand and thousand of rules and hundred of Governments. Today, all these went underground, still the same rules and Governments. It all depends on how you grease the officials and whether if you would be caught with your pants down if not, you can make tons of money. So far, many big shots were exposed to be involved in bribrary.. just google. |
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So lucky for BWL using correct method to go into china market .
stockpicker ( Date: 17-Apr-2019 13:55) Posted:
This Avon was full of hope in 2004 and said its business in China would be expanded by 50% in 2005. It has introduced 50,000 different product to China and maintained 30% growth annually.. after the Chinese took actions on MLM, look at them now.. really poor thing
copy and paste link if link does not work
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-06/29/content_343818.htm
stockpicker ( Date: 17-Apr-2019 13:09) Posted:
| The only difference is Herbelife' s China business contributed only about 25% of its total business on several products whereas Best World' s China business contributed about 60% based on one product. Another difference is the market cap. Herbelife US $ 7.8 bil and SG$ 1.03 bi |
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Can call to ask as it is really quite late for this year . but it also possible they want to release with the PwC investigate report together with AR and resulted the delay .
like2learn ( Date: 16-Apr-2019 23:41) Posted:
I am starting to get worried why their AR is still not out .... the agm shd be 30 Apr which is barely 2 wks away. I wld think most other Co already have issued AR by now.
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More restrictions to do direct selling in China , franchise is easier model to go in China market . Amway Got huge capital to play around with China Govt but bwl got little bullet , this model allow them to have greater control but less risk.
stockpicker ( Date: 17-Apr-2019 08:52) Posted:
Like to ask a question.. if franchising model works, why it does not work for Avon and Amway? Avon and Amway even tried both, having their own branches plus franchisees. Amway also brought in its own door to door team. Avon now has to pull out from China and Amway is half dead in China. These two companies used all sort to tactics including bribring the officers..Does it work?
beng1102 ( Date: 16-Apr-2019 21:20) Posted:
Yes! Very good business model.
Despite of opening gap down today the closing price managed to close higher than the opening price. Technically this is a good sign at least for now. No fear just buy, just look at the free cash balance and almost zero debt and that is enough to give confidence |
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The business model BWL adopt in china is franchising and not direct selling which more similar to McDonald&rsquo s type of selling , they controlling the products quality and marketing job , and the franchisee just focus in selling products. Other than China market , they use direct selling model . This is very smart move as compare to using export method, as export agents most of time just focus on profits and not willing spent more to do advertising, I foresee a robust growth in next few years for their business .
stockpicker ( Date: 16-Apr-2019 14:17) Posted:
it is tough doing direct selling in China. Avon Products found this out over the last 28 years since it set its foot in China in 1990. Avon was the first Direct Selling company and has been picked to be the model company while the Authorities were drafting the regulations to control direct selling business in China.. Today, Avon has totally pulled out of the Chinese market as it no longer able to to substain the losses around hundreds of millions per year and raked up about US1.8 bilion of losses. Their share has dropped from the peak of $46 in 2004 to the present level of $2.80. They have just been slapped with a fine of $135 mil by US' s DOJ for bribing the Chinese Officers in order to stay in business. This believe to be their dead straw.
https://www.breakingviews.com/considered-view/avon-exposes-ugly-side-of-doing-business-in-china/
It would appear that doing direct selling in a proper way would go nowhere.. going the wrong way can earn a living but how long this kind of business can continue is anyone' s guess. Hope one can learn from Avon' s failure and be smart to invest wisely.
Anyway, China is a big market full of opportunities. Undersstand the new owner of Avon is thinking about going back to China.
Good luck everyone..
sbscap ( Date: 16-Apr-2019 13:35) Posted:
| I' m sure there are those who disagree with me or don' t like my comments. I' m sorry for people who lost money but the issues that drove the price down started much earlier with the BT article having the biggest impact so far. The key issues seem to surround BW' s biz model. TA and FA mean little if BW' s biz model is questionable or not sustainable. Herbalife in the US is an example where even a big short seller couldn' t crash a supposedly fraudulant company. So it is difficult to say fundaments and the share price can agree. Good luck to those trading. I would personally stay out. |
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alot of big name also in the list like Amway , herbalife but dont think affect BWL much as their revenue mostly from their skin care products and it is not under selling restriction .
Sen9999 ( Date: 16-Apr-2019 08:45) Posted:
另 外 18项 拟 取 消 的 则 是 过 往 历 史 时 期 曾 批 准 过 但 现 已 不 再 受 理 审 评 审 批 的 保 健 功 能 ， 包 括 （ 辅 助 ） 抑 制 肿 瘤 、 改 善 微 循 环 、 升 高 白 细 胞 等 。
在 这 18项 拟 取 消 的 保 健 功 能 中 ， 共 有 3款 直 销 产 品 涉 及 了 其 中 两 项 ， 包 括 ： 无 限 极 一 款 具 有 ?（ 辅 助 ） 抑 制 肿 瘤 ?功 能 的 保 健 食 品 ； 安 利 和 春 芝 堂 各 有 一 款 含 有 ?抗 突 变 ?功 能 表 述 的 保 健 食 品 。
公 告 中 称 ， 自 发 布 取 消 上 述 保 健 功 能 之 日 起 ， 相 关 产 品 应 当 立 即 停 止 生 产 ， 已 生 产 的 保 健 食 品 ， 不 涉 及 质 量 安 全 的 ， 可 销 售 至 保 质 期 结 束 ； 国 家 市 场 监 管 总 局 不 再 受 理 、 审 评 审 批 上 述 保 健 功 能 。
也 就 是 说 ， 公 告 中 所 提 出 的 拟 取 消 的 保 健 功 能 一 旦 生 效 ， 上 述 五 款 直 销 产 品 将 不 可 再 进 行 生 产 、 销 售 。
Stop production because the function mentioned is prohibited on the list that was drafted before, only the three product from the above companies are affected. And facial products is not affected?
"6项 ?有 待 进 一 步 研 究 论 证 的 保 健 功 能 ?涉 及 的 直 企 数 量 及 产 品 数 量 " not affecting BWL products?
And the last table, out of the 487 保 健 product, BWL has 3 that is 待 调 整 , but 0 for 待 论 证 , and 0 for stopping production.
0 for 待 论 证 means not under additional quality check?
stockpicker ( Date: 16-Apr-2019 00:28) Posted:
| It is not only a change in the description. The chinese text also touched on some products that has quality issue must have the production stopped immediately. (相 关 产 品 应 当 立 即 停 止 生 产 ). May be the word " scrutiny" being used is a bit heavy。 the Chinese wording is " 待 调 整 &ldquo which mean " awaiting for adjustment" which can also mean the 3 products have been found to contain " misleading informations (虚 假 宣 传 )" . May be the blog writer can amend it |
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As i know most brokerage firm has no margin granted for BW. which brokerage firm you are referring ?
joker123 ( Date: 12-Apr-2019 12:08) Posted:
My broker says more margin call coming in afternoon. Better SCRAM.. AVOID AT ALL COST PLEASE.
like2learn ( Date: 12-Apr-2019 12:03) Posted:
IMO - I dun think the founders have a strong enuff reason to go through the hassle to arrange for funds to delist and for plans to relist in HK. BW already has more than enough funds to support any expansion, and it is now generating strong cash flow based on TW/China ops.
It is listed because it brings more credibility dealing with distributors. I think delisting will come only if it falls to a ridiculously low price maybe near NAV.
But u can try to ask BW IR abt any HK listing plans and update us. 
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ppls or institution sell on rumours , see the trend of this counter, when there is big drop followed by another rising sooner , as the franchising is increasing from last Q4 and the company just began to enter the china market for first year.
JarBinx ( Date: 12-Apr-2019 11:28) Posted:
Institutional investors pricing in fraud / accounting scandal.. don' t think even a slowdown in China demand will warrant this level of selling.
But for a consumer goods company with a strict no-refund policy.. how likely is the accounting manipulation? Even company and directors are buying back shares also.
1035834 ( Date: 12-Apr-2019 11:23) Posted:
how worst it can be ？ zero debt with hundred million of cash and keep paying dividend from certain portion of profit. the drop is fierce selling by ang moh , just bought some all is angmoh selling . it is chance to accumulate the share when ppls just selling at no reason. few articles or report can kill a company without justifying.
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how worst it can be ？ zero debt with hundred million of cash and keep paying dividend from certain portion of profit. the drop is fierce selling by ang moh , just bought some all is angmoh selling . it is chance to accumulate the share when ppls just selling at no reason. few articles or report can kill a company without justifying.
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this is good time to privatise as a good bargain for major shareholders.
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bought some and saw all is angmoh company dumping the share .
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this may provide you a chance to collect the share, this company unlikely is scam counter , keep paying dividend without raising fund from shareholders, i will be more happy to see a drop or where got the chance to buy at cheap cheap price.
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Actually this stock never raise fund from shareholders since day 1 listed but just keep giving dividend and share split, if it is scam , will the founder so generous to give so good return to all investors ?and now company is cash rich company not likely other red chip , high profit and high cash but never give dividend and just keep right issue .
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Now is negative Nta mean shareholders got nothing if liquidated ,who dare to borrow or doing business with them , bankruptcy is the only option . I believe the boss will come out another apology letter to all shareholders , this is game over for this stock
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